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      • 15. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising
        keriflur

        DavidSearls wrote:

         

        Every "lend" is a lost sale


        Not true, though I see where you're going with this.  If I'm lukewarm on a book, I won't buy it, but if my friend has it I might borrow it and read it.  In this case, the publisher is losing nothing, as I wasn't going to buy the book anyway.  They do have the possibility of the upside though - if I like the book I'll probably buy others by the author.  If I don't like the book, no harm, no foul.

         

        So, some, probably many, lends are lost sales.  But not all of them.  Sometimes the publisher loses on a lend, but sometimes they win.

        • 16. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising
          RHWright

          DavidSearls wrote:

          As a reader, I'm all for maximum lending capabilities. Power to the people! But as a published author (Bloodthirst in Babylon, Samhain Horror), I have to come down on the side of "The Man."

           

          Every "lend" is a lost sale, though I understand it's no different than tossing your friend your tattered paperback. Or borrowing a book from the library. I guess the logical compromise is the one-time lending functionality B&N built in. Or at least it keeps writers and publishers no more disgrunteld than readers. 


          If you go by the logic that every time someone reads your book and does not pay you=a "lost sale," sure. But then so, as you point out, would be giving someone your DTB copy, or borrowing from a library, or buying a used copy, or reading their own copy more than once. (Heck, they could have bought a new book and read that instead.)

           

          Unlike plain old file sharing, LendMe at least has safeguards built in that only one active "copy" of a book exists at a time.

           

          But I think it's better to think of lent copies as free advertising than lost sales. It helps get your name out, build & expand a fan base, etc.

           

          For decades, publishers have had little problem with sending out free advance/review copies of titles. Think of this in a similar vein. Instead of getting those copies into the hands of people a few steps removed from the final purchase decision, now you can have consumers marketing directly to other consumers.

           

          Wholesale illegal file sharing is another matter entirely. But programs like LendMe need to be encouraged and nurtured to help cut down on these less reasonable activities.

          • 17. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising
            keriflur

            RHWright wrote:

             

            For decades, publishers have had little problem with sending out free advance/review copies of titles.


            They're having problems lately, LOL.  They're requesting contracts from reviewers who receive ARCs, requiring reviews, monitoring the content of those reviews.  The times, they are a changin'.

            • 18. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising
              RHWright

              keriflur wrote:

              RHWright wrote:

               

              For decades, publishers have had little problem with sending out free advance/review copies of titles.


              They're having problems lately, LOL.  They're requesting contracts from reviewers who receive ARCs, requiring reviews, monitoring the content of those reviews.  The times, they are a changin'.



              Really? You're kidding me. I haven't been on any ARC lists since I left the bookstore. That's just crazy.

              • 19. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising

                What I have a hard time understanding is if I own a printed copy of a book I can simply lend it to a friend or whoever without consequence.  I don't believe it is illegal, but if someone knows otherwise I would love to know.  B&N lendme policy on not being able to read it while you're lending it makes complete sense. They should have no control over how many times a book can be lent, or even what books can be lent. Once I purchase the book, it's my property and I have the right to give the book to whoever I please. I understand copyright laws may have a different view, but couldn't I just give it to a friend as a present. That should be allowed.  The could then regift the book back to me, or to someone else.  I'm not making a profit or anything.  The public library systems lend books to hundreds of thousands if not millions of people a multitude of times!  I know that I'm not a public library, but still.  Lending books among friends should not be limited. 

                • 20. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising
                  Doug_Pardee

                  Vanilla_Rooibos wrote:

                   

                  I understand copyright laws may have a different view, but couldn't I just give it to a friend as a present.


                  The copyright laws control who has the right to make a copy (hence the name, copyright). You can't make a copy of a book and give it to your friend; you can only give them the copy that the publisher created. With e-books, you can't give your friend an e-book you bought except by making a copy of it.

                   

                  You can, however, lend your NOOK to your friend with the e-book on it. In that case, you aren't making a copy.

                   

                  • 21. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising

                    Vanilla_Rooibos wrote:

                    What I have a hard time understanding is if I own a printed copy of a book I can simply lend it to a friend or whoever without consequence.  I don't believe it is illegal, but if someone knows otherwise I would love to know.  B&N lendme policy on not being able to read it while you're lending it makes complete sense. They should have no control over how many times a book can be lent, or even what books can be lent. Once I purchase the book, it's my property and I have the right to give the book to whoever I please. I understand copyright laws may have a different view, but couldn't I just give it to a friend as a present. That should be allowed.  The could then regift the book back to me, or to someone else.  I'm not making a profit or anything.  The public library systems lend books to hundreds of thousands if not millions of people a multitude of times!  I know that I'm not a public library, but still.  Lending books among friends should not be limited. 


                    The first thing you should be aware of is that it is not B&N lending policy, it is the publishers' lending policy, B&N has no say over it, except for pubit books.  

                     

                    And, while I agree with you, I should be able to lend my books to anyone I want, here are a few of the "problems" with lending eBooks.  

                     

                    A printed book has a limited life, in that, at some point, that book is going to become unusable, it's going to fall apart.  Not so with an eBook, it could be lend thousands of times without an issue.

                     

                    Your statement  Lending books among friends should not be limited, says it all.  If people stuck to lending only to friends, it might not be such an issue.  But with an eBook, it is possible to lend it to total strangers because all you have to do is email the file.  There are a number of sites that have popped up, where you can sign up to lend your book to anyone else who has signed up.  You wouldn't lend a printed book to a total stranger on the other side of the country, but, with these lending sites, you can.  If they allowed unlimited lending, then I could purchase a book, put in on that site, and hundreds of people could "borrow" it.  Since there seems to be no way to make sure you are lending it to friends as opposed to strangers who happen to be signed up on the same lending site, the publishers answer is to limit the number of times you can lend.  I think 1 is unreasonable, maybe 3-5 times would be more reasonable, but I can't see them ever allowing unlimited lending.

                     

                    You don't actually purchase the eBook, you purchase a license to read it.

                    • 22. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising

                      I totally agree with you.  I never paid much attention to the Lend Me option and just lent someone a book.  I didn't realize I could only do that once.  This is so stupid, if I had the paperback I could let an unlimited number of people read that book, how is this different.  If I buy it I should should be able to do whatever I want with it.  I love my Nook but this is ridiculous. One way for B & N to boost book sales.  Also, do you know how they decide which books I can lend?  I just bought one and was going to lend it to somebody and its not an option.  Again, I don't like B & N deciding what I can and can't do.

                      • 23. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising

                        nancy59 wrote:
                        If I buy it I should should be able to do whatever I want with it.  I love my Nook but this is ridiculous. One way for B & N to boost book sales.  Also, do you know how they decide which books I can lend?  I just bought one and was going to lend it to somebody and its not an option.  Again, I don't like B & N deciding what I can and can't do.

                        Please read the earlier part of this thread to correct some misconceptions you have about what's actually going on with the Lend Me feature. For example:

                        1. B&N doesn't decide anything regarding lending. The book publishers make the decisions.
                        2. You can't buy an ebook from B&N or anyone else. You can only buy a license to use the ebook in ways that the publishers dictate.

                        If you want to see this situation change, write to the big publishers. It won't do any good to complain to B&N or about B&N because it's out of their hands.

                         

                        • 24. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising

                          I like the lendme, I have never used it but it is nice to have to share books with others. I understand why they allow only 1, if you can send to more than one then they lose money. Nook beats the kindle by far so as long as they don't pull what kindle did with their programming I will stay true to nook.

                          • 25. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising
                            keriflur

                            cntryguy wrote:

                            I like the lendme, I have never used it but it is nice to have to share books with others. I understand why they allow only 1, if you can send to more than one then they lose money. Nook beats the kindle by far so as long as they don't pull what kindle did with their programming I will stay true to nook.


                            What did kindle pull with their programming?  Just curious, I don't own a kindle so I'm not in the loop on what they're doing over there.

                            • 26. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising

                              Barnes & Noble "with the NOOK" is a big rip-off with regards to the "lend me" policy.  If I purchase a Book on the Nook it is my book and I should be able to lend that to my spouse if I wish to or anyone for that matter.  From my perspective, if I purchase a Book at any store in the country I can lend it to anyone I wish.  I should be able to do that with the Nook purchase as well.  Barnes & Noble are currently cheating everyone.  I was told by an employee prior to purchasing the Nook that I could "Lend" any book I purchased.  Obviously that employee lied to me or was misinformed.

                               

                              In addition to the lend me policy being a rip-off there is also an issue with the battery life on the Nook Tablet.  IT actually SUCKS.  I purchased two Nook Tablets - one for me and one for my wife. If I knew then what I know now, I would never made this purchase. 

                               

                              I am currently in the process of starting my own Blog and make it known to all that I can what a rip-off the Nook is and that Barnes & Noble is as well.

                              • 27. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising

                                lawfos wrote:

                                Barnes & Noble "with the NOOK" is a big rip-off with regards to the "lend me" policy.  If I purchase a Book on the Nook it is my book and I should be able to lend that to my spouse if I wish to or anyone for that matter.  From my perspective, if I purchase a Book at any store in the country I can lend it to anyone I wish.  I should be able to do that with the Nook purchase as well.  Barnes & Noble are currently cheating everyone.  I was told by an employee prior to purchasing the Nook that I could "Lend" any book I purchased.  Obviously that employee lied to me or was misinformed.

                                 

                                In addition to the lend me policy being a rip-off there is also an issue with the battery life on the Nook Tablet.  IT actually SUCKS.  I purchased two Nook Tablets - one for me and one for my wife. If I knew then what I know now, I would never made this purchase. 

                                 

                                I am currently in the process of starting my own Blog and make it known to all that I can what a rip-off the Nook is and that Barnes & Noble is as well.


                                It's a publisher restriction, not a BN restriction.  The same restriction applies to lend me books from anywhere, including those on the Kindle.  So if you're going to complain in a blog about the restriction, make sure you have your facts correct.  Don't blame the retailer (BN) for what the publisher is doing.  You'd have exactly the same issue regardless of what device(s) your purchased.

                                 

                                And you can share the books between you and your wife without using the lendme feature.  Just follow the instructions in this post.  

                                • 28. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising

                                  lawfos wrote:

                                  Barnes & Noble "with the NOOK" is a big rip-off with regards to the "lend me" policy.  If I purchase a Book on the Nook it is my book and I should be able to lend that to my spouse if I wish to or anyone for that matter.  From my perspective, if I purchase a Book at any store in the country I can lend it to anyone I wish.  I should be able to do that with the Nook purchase as well.  Barnes & Noble are currently cheating everyone.  I was told by an employee prior to purchasing the Nook that I could "Lend" any book I purchased.  Obviously that employee lied to me or was misinformed.

                                   

                                  In addition to the lend me policy being a rip-off there is also an issue with the battery life on the Nook Tablet.  IT actually SUCKS.  I purchased two Nook Tablets - one for me and one for my wife. If I knew then what I know now, I would never made this purchase. 

                                   

                                  I am currently in the process of starting my own Blog and make it known to all that I can what a rip-off the Nook is and that Barnes & Noble is as well.


                                  Time to read the fine print.  You do not "own" the e-book just as you don't "own" Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, Mac OS X, your favorite PC game, or almost any other software, unless you write it yourself.  What you purchased is a "Limited Use License."  You are not free to share it or reproduce it unless specifically authorized by the publisher. 

                                   

                                  Get used to it.  It has been this way for a very long time and isn't likely to change soon. 

                                  • 29. Re: LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising
                                    keriflur

                                    Barnes and Noble is cheating everyone.  I bought my nook so that it could clean my house and make me dinner.  It refuses to do either of those things.  I want my money back.

                                     

                                    Barnes and Noble needs to explicitly say that nook doesn't cook and clean, and none of the marketing materials make that clear.  What a scam.

                                     

                                    I'm going to buy a kindle.

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