12 Replies Latest reply on Nov 4, 2013 12:09 PM by Omnigeek

    Curious about NGL reviews

    Schwa

      The current reviews for the Nook Glowlight on the site show an interesting but disturbing trend and maybe some of y'all can help me to understand.

       

      Question 1:

      I can understand if someone is disappointed with specs on the new model.  Specifically concerning the page turn buttons and the SD card slot.  I can't tell anyone what they should and shouldn't like and it could arguably be pointed out as a step sideways (maybe backwards) for the brand.

       

      But why would people one say (paraphrased from numerous reviews) "I'm disappointed in the lack of page turn buttons and SD card slot so I'm going to get a Kindle instead."  If these are important features, why would another brand with the same lack of features be an obvious choice?

       

      Question 2:

      Okay, so no page turn buttons.  You can still tap the side of the screen, which does the same thing with less effort.  Why are physical buttons so important when they are actually redundant?

       

      Genuinely curious, thanks in advance for informative insight instead of flames.

       

        • Re: Curious about NGL reviews
          Mercury_Glitch

          The 'I'm going to Kindle!' folks tend to have not done their research.  Some will end up switching but most likely stay and just post in anger.

           

          As for the folks who like the buttons, I just don't know.  Any conditions that would make reading without gloves (they get in the way of the ir sensors), would likely be uncomfortable to read in.  Some of it may be from using the NST which wasn't as responsive. 

            • Re: Curious about NGL reviews
              orb9220
              Guess it just comes down to habit and preference. I never used them on the 1st original Nook.

              As to missing SD card. Well many will find that even more an issue. As the newer 4gb and only 512mb reserved for personal side-loaded content. For some that is a deal breaker.

              The other that pops up is only in white issue. And is more an aesthetic issue. Personally I hate white. As mentioned makes the screen appear darker. And my experience harder to keep clean. And feel I shouldn't have to spend another $20-$30 to cover up what should be choices in the first place.

              Where people need to tread lightly is making light of other's preferences. Their priorities are not our priorities. And there concerns are just as valid.

              I see way too many making or belittling of those concerns. Because it isn't one for them. So therefore not a real issue.
              .

              Just because many may think no SD card slot or only in white is not an issue for them. Then must not be a real concern and other's are just being to nit-picky.
            • Re: Curious about NGL reviews
              bobstro
              Schwa wrote:

               

              [...] But why would people one say (paraphrased from numerous reviews) "I'm disappointed in the lack of page turn buttons and SD card slot so I'm going to get a Kindle instead."  If these are important features, why would another brand with the same lack of features be an obvious choice?

               

              The Kindle part makes no sense. I think those folks blurting that out are just making it known that they aren't happy, and Kindle is the first big name alternative that comes to mind. I'd never go over to Amazon's ebook format.

               

              Indeed, most of the big-name manufacturers (Kobo, B&N, Amazon) seem to be abandoning buttons. Some are also abandoning expandable storage. The problem for B&N is that, in the absense of those things that make a B&N device unique, I'm as likely to consider an alternative device now. The problem isn't that B&N did anything wrong or different. They're just not unique anymore.

               

              While I like buttons (more below), the lack of expandable storage, and particularly, the severe lack of storage for sideloaded content is the deal killer. My little 4 GB non-expandable Kobo Mini (that I picked up for $40 to use until the new B&N release) does not distinguish between "store bought" and "sideloaded" content. There's just "storage". I have a collection of about 250 epubs on my Mini that I'd have a hard time fitting onto the NGL if it only has 512 MB for sideloaded content, and the Mini still has about 553 MB of space left. In other words, B&N shot themselves in the foot by imposing an artificial technical limitation needlessly. What's sad is that solutions for this very problem have been provided by the dev community (and roustabout here, specifically) for years.

               

              [...] Okay, so no page turn buttons.  You can still tap the side of the screen, which does the same thing with less effort.  Why are physical buttons so important when they are actually redundant?

               

              The buttons are nice if you read outdoors. You can use them to page through a book with your device enclosed in a waterproof bag. I primarily like buttons because you don't have to drag your finger across the screen in environments where sand or grit is likely to wind up on the screen (e.g. the beach). Without the ability to put a screen protector on the NGL (or NST/G) screen, I try to avoid touching the screen outdoors for fear of scratching it. Sand blows off well enough, but dragging it will abrade the display. I'm OK risking my $39 device, but would fret more if I'd spent $119. I've also read that people with some physical disabilities find dragging very difficult, but that they're better able to press a physical button.

               

              Another plus for the buttons is that they autorepeat. To scroll through a long list of items (the library for example) you can just press and hold the button. 

               

              If you want to make the case that the screen is most important, the Kindle Aura doesn't cost much more ($149), and has a capacitive screen so I don't have to worry about dust or sand getting in the IR sensor gaps, in addition to expandable storage (and lots of internal storage). If you want to make the case that cost is most important, and that $30 is critical, the NST is cheaper than the NGL ($79), and also offers expandable storage. The NGL finds itself in a weird middle ground with fewer overall features at the current price ($119).

               

              Any positives (for me) of the nice NGL is offset by knowing that I'll have to go through contortions to manage sideloaded content. The NGL isn't all that compelling at this point. I would imagine anybody with an existing device is dealing with similar choices.

               

              I like the NGL. The white doesn't bug me (much) since it looks sort of like paper. I can hold it one-handed, using a rubber band grip if necessary. If it turns out that they've used socketed flash memory and I can do an unauthorized replacement to expand internal storage, I might still go for one once prices come down a bit. It just doesn't gain me a whole lot today, and adds complications that make it a turn-off.

               

              That said, if it meets your needs, then by all means, go for it. It's a very nice device. I just think B&N needs to get out of worrying only about what the average mythical "Julie" might want. That didn't work out so well last time.

               

              • Re: Curious about NGL reviews
                keriflur

                Schwa wrote:

                 

                But why would people one say (paraphrased from numerous reviews) "I'm disappointed in the lack of page turn buttons and SD card slot so I'm going to get a Kindle instead."  If these are important features, why would another brand with the same lack of features be an obvious choice?

                 


                Regarding the SD card slot - yes, neither kindle nor the NGL have SD card slots.  But, similar to what Bobstro said about the Kobo Mini, the kindle only has one storage location, not two.  For me, since I have a lot of books to sideload, I'd actually have less issue fitting my books in the kindle's 1.5gbs than on the 2.5gb NGT, because the NGT only allows .5gb of sideloading space.

                 

                On previous nooks, the way to get around the limited space for external content was to add an SD card.  Hence the concern about the missing slot.

                • Re: Curious about NGL reviews

                  How about a fresh perspective here? The first thing everyone wants to do is compare the new kid to the old kids. Perfectly natural. Now let me tell you my take having come over from "the dreaded" Kindle. First off this is not my first time trying Nook. It is however, the first time I've actually felt ok with sticking with them. I had returned all previous models I've tried.  As for the page turning, I'm for whatever works the best. I've always liked the page turning buttons more simply because they worked the best. Previous Nook models however required a little more pressure than I liked and the screen sensitivity just wasn't good enough to replace it. Back it went. The original Kindle eink devices had keyboards and page turn buttons that worked well. I didn't even have to deal with a touch screen since it didn't have one. Also, the display on the NSTG just wasn't that great to me. Even the older Kindle's were significantly better (the ones without a backlight). Anyway, point here is, I came into this with no particular opinions other than I wanted a decent screen to read on. I am getting up there in age (kinda) so I need something with excellent clairity and GOOD lighting. As you get older, your eyes need more light to read. The NGL is the first eink device Nook has come out with that I really like. No, it doesn't have an SD slot and yes, the shelving is still not great although this isn't that big of a deal for me but the lighting is great and the screen clear. The device is light weight and feels good although they could have put "something" on the back to make it easier to hold one handed. It's a little slick. Oh and the screen sensitivity is spot on for turning the pages with your thumb with very little effort (so long as it doesn't squirt out of your hand) :smileytongue:  One last word, this Nook is MUCH better at keeping in sync with my HD+ (new to that as well). I brought back my NSTG for that reason as well. Just seemed way harder trying to keep them both up to speed. I spend far less time doing that now so I guess I can say I've made my Kindle to Nook transformation complete now and am pretty happy with it. At least the biggest complaints are things that can be rectified with software upgrades.

                  • Re: Curious about NGL reviews
                    geertm

                    Schwa wrote:

                    The current reviews for the Nook Glowlight on the site show an interesting but disturbing trend and maybe some of y'all can help me to understand.

                     

                    Question 1:

                    I can understand if someone is disappointed with specs on the new model.  Specifically concerning the page turn buttons and the SD card slot.  I can't tell anyone what they should and shouldn't like and it could arguably be pointed out as a step sideways (maybe backwards) for the brand.

                     

                    But why would people one say (paraphrased from numerous reviews) "I'm disappointed in the lack of page turn buttons and SD card slot so I'm going to get a Kindle instead."  If these are important features, why would another brand with the same lack of features be an obvious choice?

                     

                    Question 2:

                    Okay, so no page turn buttons.  You can still tap the side of the screen, which does the same thing with less effort.  Why are physical buttons so important when they are actually redundant?

                     

                    Genuinely curious, thanks in advance for informative insight instead of flames.

                     


                    Have you noticed that a lot of the people complaining about the 512MB sideloading restriction of Nook Glowlight have so many books they want to sideload (often 1500 or more) that they will not fit on the 1.25GB Kindle they say they will be buying instead?

                      • Re: Curious about NGL reviews
                        bobstro

                        geertm wrote:

                        [...] Have you noticed that a lot of the people complaining about the 512MB sideloading restriction of Nook Glowlight have so many books they want to sideload (often 1500 or more) that they will not fit on the 1.25GB Kindle they say they will be buying instead?
                        In my case, I can't fit the 228 sideloaded epubs that fit on the Kobo Mini I bought as a temporary solution until the new GlowLight came out. Using my collection, I'd only be able to sideload about 147. About 574 if buying the same as B&N ebooks. Of the 228 epubs on my current eInk device, the average size is 3.48 MB. I'm not talking thousands here.
                        It's not the Amazon products I'm comparing it to now, but rather the Kobo lineup. I can fit roughly double the amount of sideloaded content onto a Mini that also has no removable storage. The problem is that B&N has continued to artificially split the storage up, limiting both B&N and sideloaded content. If the storage was combined, it'd be a great upgrade.
                        I sincerely hope B&N has a "pro" version in mind with increased storage for both B&N and sideloaded content. Otherwise, my next eInk device won't be either a Kindle or a NOOK.

                         

                         

                         

                         

                          • Re: Curious about NGL reviews
                            kamas716
                            At this point there is no compelling reason for me to purchase the NGL. My NST and NSTG are actually more useful to me than an NGL would be. The lack of page turn buttons combined with the limited sideloading space and no expandable storage are more than enough to keep me from 'upgrading'. The lack of fixes in the software just makes me wonder what B&N was thinking when developing this unit. It's slightly lighter in weight, but not as easy to grip (the form factor of the NST was big selling point for me). It's got more internal memory, but no expandable memory. It's got a clearer screen and better light (we'll see how it stands up to several months use). Considering the time spent, I'm underwhelmed. It's like a half step up rather than a full step.
                              • Re: Curious about NGL reviews
                                keriflur

                                kamas716 wrote:
                                It's got a clearer screen and better light (we'll see how it stands up to several months use).

                                I did not find an appreciable difference in screen clarity between the NST and the NGL.  I assume that the increased resolution only makes up for the decrease in sharpness caused by the light guide.

                                 

                                If B&N put out a version of the NST (i.e. no light guide gumming things up), we might see some real sharpness and clarity.

                                 

                                Something I haven't seen anyone mention yet - the new fonts for the NGL are all san-serif.  There was only one serif font on the NGL on display in my store.  IMO this is another blow to readability.

                          • Re: Curious about NGL reviews
                            Omnigeek

                            Schwa wrote:

                            The current reviews for the Nook Glowlight on the site show an interesting but disturbing trend and maybe some of y'all can help me to understand.

                             

                            Question 1:

                            I can understand if someone is disappointed with specs on the new model.  Specifically concerning the page turn buttons and the SD card slot.  I can't tell anyone what they should and shouldn't like and it could arguably be pointed out as a step sideways (maybe backwards) for the brand.

                             

                            But why would people one say (paraphrased from numerous reviews) "I'm disappointed in the lack of page turn buttons and SD card slot so I'm going to get a Kindle instead."  If these are important features, why would another brand with the same lack of features be an obvious choice?

                             

                            Question 2:

                            Okay, so no page turn buttons.  You can still tap the side of the screen, which does the same thing with less effort.  Why are physical buttons so important when they are actually redundant?

                             

                            Genuinely curious, thanks in advance for informative insight instead of flames.

                             


                            I can't answer question 1 for you other than to speculate that those people liked the Amazon ecosystem better but having the page turn buttons and/or SD card outweighed the ecosystem.

                             

                            In answer to question 2, I prefer the hardware page turn buttons because I've experienced lack of response when the IR sensors are blocked or not working.  I like reading in the hot tub at night -- you flat out can't do this with just the IR sensors.  In addition, I prefer the hardware buttons to swiping the screen; they aren't redundant, the screen swipe is what's redundant (IMO).

                             

                            In response to others, what might have been question 3, why is the SD card so important?  I prefer having my library at my fingertips rather than remembering what I loaded and what I didn't.  This includes academic and work-related papers so more than just ebooks I buy.  I like the fact that I've got them loaded on the SD card so when I have to change out the ereader (I'm on my fourth NSTG with glowhole issues), I don't have to load all the darned books again (except what gets DLed from BN).

                             

                            4GB w/ SD card would have been a disappointingly mild but acceptable upgrade from the NST or NSTG.  4GB w/o SD card is an annoying downgrade and dealbreaker for me.  I could have rationalized loss of the physical buttons or the the feel and color of the NSTG to get the better clarity, improved lighting and lighter weight of the NGL but none of that is as important as the SD card IMO.  I am now in a quandary because of the glowholes on my NSTG -- I'm now 4/4 on getting glowholes on my NSTG but I wouldn't take an NGL even as an even trade so I don't know what to suggest to the store.