36 Replies Latest reply on Nov 28, 2011 1:39 PM by TristanDoesIt

    Nook 2.0, no web browser, no sale.

      Sorry, but a WiFi only device without a web browser is next to useless. From B&N own "Getting to know your Nook" page they admit that you really wont be able to connect any place that you would reasonably need to such as a hotel or airport.

       

      "If you try to connect to a free public network, please know that nook will not connect to any Wi-Fi hotspot that requires you to enter any information such as an account number or a room number when at a hotel, to enter any payment information, to accept any terms or conditions, or to view or accept an information page that requires a web browser."

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          personally used my browser two times in the last 5-6 months, and it was clunky at best.  not what I bought an ereader for.

           

          when I travel I assume Iwill basically already have all my books and reading materials pre loaded.  even if I didn't I would think most places I go to would have some time of mcdonalds, starbucks, something near by if  had a pressing need to access wi fi.  BUT I will admit I do not get daily news papers etc on my device either.

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              JimMann

              I bought my Nook last summer and used the browser once, just to see what it looked like.

               

              I bought it as an e-reader, not a general purpose device for surfing the web, reading email, etc.  If I'm on the go, I can do that on my iPhone, if I someday need a tablet, I'll buy one like the iPad, but still use my Nook for reading.

               

              Jim

               

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                  Nallia

                  JimMann wrote:

                  I bought my Nook last summer and used the browser once, just to see what it looked like.

                   

                  I bought it as an e-reader, not a general purpose device for surfing the web, reading email, etc.  If I'm on the go, I can do that on my iPhone, if I someday need a tablet, I'll buy one like the iPad, but still use my Nook for reading.

                   

                  Jim

                   


                  What does any of this have to do with needing to agree to terms and conditions, needing to enter a hotel room number, or otherwise needing to open a browser window to actually connect to WiFi to shop?

                   

                  Your response makes no sense in the context of this thread.

                   

                  ETA:

                   

                  To the OP:

                   

                  I agree with your thoughts on the web browser, though I have decided to order the new NOOK. It would be fine to me if they had one that was only accessible when connecting to WiFi but not useable for browsing.

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                      Schwa

                      Nallia wrote:

                       

                      I agree with your thoughts on the web browser, though I have decided to order the new NOOK. It would be fine to me if they had one that was only accessible when connecting to WiFi but not useable for browsing.



                      I had the same thought.  It's possible the WiFi connection process may call up a browser for that purpose and still not have a user accessible browser.  I mean, let's face it, this was the only reason there was a web browser in the first place.  Actively surfing the web on an eInk device is like pulling teeth   :smileyhappy:

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                    Haleakala_LKB

                    To me, it's kind of like when my daughter was sure she needed the 3G (so that's what we got her for Christmas). She was worried about having a book emergency somewhere with no WiFi, so wanted 3G. Me, I figure before I go on vacation or anywhere I'll have plenty of books loaded already.

                     

                    In the middle of a 12 hour car ride just this past weekend I had the library book I was reading expire (cr*p!). So I just started reading another book I had on my NOOK.

                     

                    LisaB

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                        I've never used my browser, not once!  For me it would not be missed.

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                          AlanNJ

                          Haleakala_LKB wrote:

                          To me, it's kind of like when my daughter was sure she needed the 3G (so that's what we got her for Christmas). She was worried about having a book emergency somewhere with no WiFi, so wanted 3G. Me, I figure before I go on vacation or anywhere I'll have plenty of books loaded already.

                           

                          In the middle of a 12 hour car ride just this past weekend I had the library book I was reading expire (cr*p!). So I just started reading another book I had on my NOOK.

                           

                          LisaB


                          "book emergency".  Love it!  I actually think it's absurd but it did make me laugh... There was only one time that I ordered an unplanned book and those were special circumstances.  I had downloaded a free PDF version of a book from an author's site and the formatting was so bad on my Nook that I felt obligated to purchase the book so I could read it comfortably.  That happened while I was sitting in a hospital room waiting for my wife to recover from pain meds.  Other than that I always have plenty of books to choose from on my Nook.

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                              Haleakala_LKB

                              AlanNJ wrote:

                              Haleakala_LKB wrote:

                              To me, it's kind of like when my daughter was sure she needed the 3G (so that's what we got her for Christmas). She was worried about having a book emergency somewhere with no WiFi, so wanted 3G. Me, I figure before I go on vacation or anywhere I'll have plenty of books loaded already.

                               

                              In the middle of a 12 hour car ride just this past weekend I had the library book I was reading expire (cr*p!). So I just started reading another book I had on my NOOK.

                               

                              LisaB


                              "book emergency".  Love it!  I actually think it's absurd but it did make me laugh... There was only one time that I ordered an unplanned book and those were special circumstances.  I had downloaded a free PDF version of a book from an author's site and the formatting was so bad on my Nook that I felt obligated to purchase the book so I could read it comfortably.  That happened while I was sitting in a hospital room waiting for my wife to recover from pain meds.  Other than that I always have plenty of books to choose from on my Nook.


                              I tend to think of it as having something to do with the over 20 year difference between my daughter and myself. Sort of that instant gratification thing the young often have. 

                               

                              Before anyone blasts me, yes, I know, not ALL young people are like this, and plenty of oldster also have it. Just sayin', in general....

                               

                              LisaB

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                                  DP_KY

                                  While I can't claim to be twenty by any stretch, I will admit that part of the JOY of the Nook experience is the immediate gratification of getting the book you want/need.

                                   

                                  When I finish a book and enjoyed that author, I  go out and immediately look for the next book from that author or series.   I don't want to get in the car and drive across town or across an island to a store.   While I could claim it is due to my environmental conscience, that is just a benefit.

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                            rafalweb

                            I know it's subjective, and personal, but I find the Nook browser to be useless.   I found the Wifi great for browsing books, and buying, but for web surfing, I used it once, and then never again.   So maybe BN decinded that an e-ink browser wasn't the most desirable feature in a deicated e-reader.  Personally, I would agree with them.   

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                                Its not a question of web surfing, but of being able to sign onto WiFi spots. It is VERY common for public access WiFi hot spots to at least require you to agree to a terms of service web page before you can access the Internet. Without a browser, you simply can not connect.
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                                    rafalweb

                                    I can see where  you'e going here, but, to my eye, a device like this uses Wifi to buy books.  Thus, I take it to a wireless hotspot, buy books, and then turn the Wifi off.   I use the wifi occassionally at BN stores, but that's it.  So for me, the possibility that I would not be able to sign on at a hotspot that requires some kind of sign-in doesn't seem much of a limitation to me.  But that's how I use my Nook, and maybe you have other needs...so then your concerns would be legit.

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                                  I never bought by Nook Classic for the web browser.  I have used it I think 3 times in a year.

                                  The web browser on the Nook is worthless in my opinion.  And that's another reason that I don't use it.

                                   

                                   

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                                    My phone has a browser and an mp3 player, and is better for those things. So having those features in my e-ink e-reader is a waste. What I will miss when I am forced to upgrade is the color book covers. I just really dug that =(

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                                      This is a great point (and has nothing to do with wanting to use a Nook to browse the web).

                                       

                                      Most of the places I regularly access free wifi (Starbucks, Panera, Boloco, higher-ed institutions) do require you to accept terms and agreements via a web page.

                                       

                                      But perhaps there's a way to get those log-in page prompts via the Nook software (and if not, maybe it will be implemented in an update since it seems like it will be a common complaint).

                                       

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                                          I am far from an expert on how wi fi etc work, so take my comments with a grain of salt BUT...

                                           

                                          I guess I liken this to my Android phone.  Somehow when I go into places that have an open, unsecured wi fi connection (say McDonalds for example) I get an alert that a open wi fi connection is available and do i want to connect (faster than 3g).  IF I do All I have to do is click yes.  I do not have to go through the internet on the phone, I do not need to open a browser etc.

                                           

                                          Now I also know in hotel rooms etc that may not be the same case.  But for now I am strickly speaking mcdonalds, wendy's, starbucks, etc.  Again I don't go through any special browser to connect via android phone.  wouldn't perhaps the new nook be the same case?

                                           

                                          even in the secure ones it just asks for password.  does not go through a browser

                                           

                                          I could be wrong but I can;t image them selling a wi fi only device that cannot connect to most open wi fi access points when there are so many other devices that do. 

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                                          boe0485

                                          I can live without the 3G but no web browser is the real killer for me.  I was on vacation a month ago and was able to log on to the hotel wi-fi and check my email everyday sitting at the pool.  I could not read my email on my iPhone because of the glare and my Nook worked perfectly.    Without the browser I would not have been able to access the hotel's wi-fi.

                                           

                                          B&N, please rethink the web browser on the new Nook!

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                                            I didn't read through the entire five pages here, but...

                                             

                                            Does anyone think that they will come out with a 3G+WiFi verison of this? I don't want to have to rely on a WiFi connection. I'm also concerned with not having a browser ONLY because of what was mentioned here (hotels, airports, etc.)

                                             

                                            Also, does anyone know the answer to these two questions:

                                             

                                            -Are there still page-turning buttons on the side (can't tell from the pics)?

                                             

                                            -Can you lock the screen from touch? In other words, if I accidentally touch the touchscreen, I don't want to activate something.

                                             

                                            Thanks!

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                                                Nallia

                                                Good questions:

                                                 


                                                JaneRenee wrote:

                                                I didn't read through the entire five pages here, but...

                                                 

                                                Does anyone think that they will come out with a 3G+WiFi verison of this? I don't want to have to rely on a WiFi connection. I'm also concerned with not having a browser ONLY because of what was mentioned here (hotels, airports, etc.)

                                                 

                                                Also, does anyone know the answer to these two questions:

                                                 

                                                -Are there still page-turning buttons on the side (can't tell from the pics)?

                                                 

                                                -Can you lock the screen from touch? In other words, if I accidentally touch the touchscreen, I don't want to activate something.

                                                 

                                                Thanks!


                                                1. I really don't know, but I doubt it.  It looks like they are moving away from 3G.  I'm guessing it turned out to be more expensive for them than they thought it would be.  But I could be wrong.

                                                2. Yes, there are page turn buttons.

                                                3. That I don't know yet.

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                                                    Nallia wrote:

                                                    Good questions:

                                                     


                                                    JaneRenee wrote:

                                                    I didn't read through the entire five pages here, but...

                                                     

                                                    Does anyone think that they will come out with a 3G+WiFi verison of this? I don't want to have to rely on a WiFi connection. I'm also concerned with not having a browser ONLY because of what was mentioned here (hotels, airports, etc.)

                                                     

                                                    Also, does anyone know the answer to these two questions:

                                                     

                                                    -Are there still page-turning buttons on the side (can't tell from the pics)?

                                                     

                                                    -Can you lock the screen from touch? In other words, if I accidentally touch the touchscreen, I don't want to activate something.

                                                     

                                                    Thanks!


                                                    1. I really don't know, but I doubt it.  It looks like they are moving away from 3G.  I'm guessing it turned out to be more expensive for them than they thought it would be.  But I could be wrong.

                                                    2. Yes, there are page turn buttons.

                                                    3. That I don't know yet.


                                                    Thanks for the replies! 

                                                     

                                                    I could handle WiFi only, I guess. However, like others have stated - how can you even use that most places without a simple web browser to log on, accept conditions, etc.?

                                                     

                                                    The only thing I DON'T like about my current 3G+WiFi Nook is that I can't lock the touchscreen at the bottom and that it weighs a lot. It makes my purse much heavier. 

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                                                  TrevorS

                                                  Kujako wrote:

                                                  Sorry, but a WiFi only device without a web browser is next to useless.


                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  It's called a "book".

                                                   

                                                   

                                                    • Re: Nook 2.0, no web browser, no sale.

                                                      Something to think about...when the 3G N1E came out, at $269, it had no games or web browser. The software update that contained it (1.3) came out in April 2010, I believe, almost 7 months after it was initially release (and prior to the release of the WiFi only version).

                                                       

                                                      Sony's PRS-950 is the only mainstream Pearl E-ink screen I can think of that has a web browser and from my experience (and I've heard the same from others) the browser is incredible simple (in terms of functions, not necessarily ease of use).

                                                       

                                                      Perhaps B&N will make one available in a future software update, as they did with N1E, perhaps not. Maybe they'll offer optional software updates in addition to standard ones. If there's enough people making it known online and in-stores, they very well may consider it. But the combination of e-ink and touchscreen requires a different kind of browser setup than what we have on the N1E.

                                                       

                                                      Personally, I'm more dismayed that it doesn't play music; I thoroughly enjoy putting in headphones and listening to music while I read. But as someone said earlier in this thread....if one wants a web browser, games, a music player, etc, then they want something that's more than an e-reader, and Nook Color is the better option for that (as well as the N1E as long as its available).

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                                                          AlanNJ

                                                          The original Nook was $259 (unless you paid a premium).  Personally I hope they don't add ANY software updates to the new one unless it makes the reading experience better.

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                                                            bklvr896

                                                            It seems to me that what BN has done is put out a single use device, it's a eReader, nothing more.  Folks who want more than a single use device are not happy because the web browser is gone, the music is gone etc, but I honestly believe this was all intentional on B&N part.  I believe there is a market for a device that does one thing only and does it well.  

                                                             

                                                            I put one on hold for my mother, because that's what she needs, a device that only does one thing.  She'd love a phone that was just a phone, one reason why she hasn't upgraded her phone in a while, she doesn't want all the bells and whistles.

                                                             

                                                            It's also why I think B&N is making a mistake totally discontinuing the N1E.  There's a market for people who want an eInk reader that will also play music and perhaps a few games.  They are going to push those people to another device.

                                                             

                                                            If I was in the market for an eReader today, I'd seriously consider the N2E, because I don't do anything on my Nook except read.  I used to play Soduku but not a lot.  The only thing I would miss from my N1E is the 3G.

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                                                          garnet_rose

                                                          I agree. With neither 3G, nor the ability to sign into a wifi connection, what's the point?

                                                          I bought the more expensive 3G Nook because it could connect anywhere my cell can connect.

                                                          I'm often on the road or in an airport or hotel when I want to connect to B&N, and the nature of my work means that I'm often in small towns (or no town at all) where there are no ATT hotspots and any wifi requires a password. The travelling is the reason why I got an e-reader in the first place, and I often download books when I'm away from home. 

                                                          I travel a lot because of my work, and have a very basic phone, so when I bring my Nook I can check my email without lugging my laptop with me and risking damaging it.  Yes, it's a bit clumsy to use the browser, but it works for what I use it for (surely they could have made it less clumsy and therefore more useful to all rather than take it away entirely.)

                                                          I'm also not seeing the ability to play mp3s on the new version.  Have they done away with that as well? Another reason why I chose this version was to get the ability to download and play audio books while I'm driving across country, or any other time.

                                                           

                                                          Seems like they've gotten rid of the main things that made me choose Nook in the first place over the alternatives.  I do hope they continue to support the first version so we can keep our existing Nooks going as long as possible.  It'd be a real pain to have to switch to a new reader having spent all this money on Nookbooks, but I want my browser, 3G, and my audiobooks. 

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                                                              bklvr896

                                                              garnet_rose wrote:

                                                              I agree. With neither 3G, nor the ability to sign into a wifi connection, what's the point?

                                                              I bought the more expensive 3G Nook because it could connect anywhere my cell can connect.

                                                              I'm often on the road or in an airport or hotel when I want to connect to B&N, and the nature of my work means that I'm often in small towns (or no town at all) where there are no ATT hotspots and any wifi requires a password. The travelling is the reason why I got an e-reader in the first place, and I often download books when I'm away from home. 

                                                              I travel a lot because of my work, and have a very basic phone, so when I bring my Nook I can check my email without lugging my laptop with me and risking damaging it.  Yes, it's a bit clumsy to use the browser, but it works for what I use it for (surely they could have made it less clumsy and therefore more useful to all rather than take it away entirely.)

                                                              I'm also not seeing the ability to play mp3s on the new version.  Have they done away with that as well? Another reason why I chose this version was to get the ability to download and play audio books while I'm driving across country, or any other time.

                                                               

                                                              Seems like they've gotten rid of the main things that made me choose Nook in the first place over the alternatives.  I do hope they continue to support the first version so we can keep our existing Nooks going as long as possible.  It'd be a real pain to have to switch to a new reader having spent all this money on Nookbooks, but I want my browser, 3G, and my audiobooks. 


                                                              It was clarified yesterday that you can sign into a WiFi connection that requires accepting a TOS, such as a hotel or airport.

                                                               

                                                              The N2E appears to be designed to do one thing and one thing only, be an eReader.  I suspect that it's exactly what they intended it to be.  If they wanted it to have an MP3 player and a web browser, they've have designed those in, since they have a eInk reader that does that now, they obviously know how to implement it.

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                                                              Kujako, I can't find the document on B&N's web site that you have quoted.  Where is it?  I can only find similar instructions for prior models, not for the new one.

                                                              • Re: Nook 2.0, no web browser, no sale.

                                                                Clearly I am in the minority here, but I use the Nook's browser all the time for the intended purpose of the Nook, reading. 

                                                                 

                                                                Search around here and Mobileread and you will find tips on how to make your Nook Classic a decent web ereader.  Specifically:

                                                                 

                                                                1.  Learn how to use the clunky touchscreen interface to save favorites, start your surfing from your favorites page.

                                                                2.  Use Mobile web sites, they work nicely on the Classic.  NYT for example.

                                                                3.  There is a zoom feature, you can make small font pages readable.

                                                                4.  There is an option to hide the little box that shows where you are on the page.  Find it and enable it.

                                                                5.  It is summer.  You can read the web in full sunlight.

                                                                6.  There are a couple of web sites specifically designed to read RSS feeds on the Nook.  http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83238.  Google Reader works well through them.

                                                                 

                                                                I agree with the OP.  Nook Touch is based on Android.  Android has a built in browser.  Nook Color has a built in browser.   B&N had to take affirmative steps to remove it from this one.  We can only speculate on cause but I am guessing B&N wants to force you to buy and read periodicals through their store instead of free off the web.  Boo.

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                                                                    I think the point of the N2E is to simplify the experience that ereaders (the people) buy ereaders (the device) for.  A  large segment of people were turned away by both nook and kindle due to the idea that it needed to be what it didn't really have to be.

                                                                     

                                                                    Some people may find using a web browser on eink to be ok, but for most it is a painful process.  It was therefore extraneous.  I, for one, assumed since they had social networking capabilities that incorporate some sort of web access, that they would also include some way to agree to T&Cs.  It only makes sense.  For most, any other use of a web browser is not important. 

                                                                     

                                                                    You won't please everybody, but B&N is in a very unique position and have chosen to be one of the first, if not the first to recognize and utilize this.  B&N has some disparate core users.  Some want to read DTBs solely or DT anything and won't go digital until they are forced to.  Some want to go digital, at least partly, but want a streamlined, no froo froo experience-they want to read and some other things are just not important.  They also want a fairly intuitive experience.  Others want that and want more, color, web, video, music.  And still others are less reading focused.  They will and do read, but other things are more important. In a very real way, what B&N has done is tried to please almost everybody.  It just means that one device may not be for you, but another one may well suit you.  Or, as has happened to others including myself, you may develop a split personality and want the best of all worlds so you may own more than one nook device.

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                                                                      keriflur

                                                                      Rereader wrote:

                                                                      I agree with the OP.  Nook Touch is based on Android.  Android has a built in browser.  Nook Color has a built in browser.   B&N had to take affirmative steps to remove it from this one.  We can only speculate on cause but I am guessing B&N wants to force you to buy and read periodicals through their store instead of free off the web.  Boo.



                                                                      Since this is an Android device, odds are good someone will root it and post instructions online.  Then anyone who wants to will be able to root their N2E and either access or install a browser.

                                                                       

                                                                      If you really want an N2E and really want a browser, just wait for the rooting and order one once you know it can be done, and how to do it.

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                                                                      Htom_Serveaux

                                                                      Kujako wrote:

                                                                      Sorry, but a WiFi only device without a web browser is next to useless. From B&N own "Getting to know your Nook" page they admit that you really wont be able to connect any place that you would reasonably need to such as a hotel or airport.

                                                                       

                                                                      "If you try to connect to a free public network, please know that nook will not connect to any Wi-Fi hotspot that requires you to enter any information such as an account number or a room number when at a hotel, to enter any payment information, to accept any terms or conditions, or to view or accept an information page that requires a web browser."


                                                                      Well, I've not been in a position to test this, but the N2E User's Guide lists under "Proxied Wi-Fi Networks"  (page 60):

                                                                       

                                                                      "Proxied Wi-Fi networks typically present a Web page with terms and conditions, a login screen, and possibly a payment screen, before allowing you to connect to the network.  You'll encounter this type of network in many hotels, restaurants, and airports.  Your NOOK detects these networks.  When you select a proxied network as a connection, your NOOK automatically opens a dialog box in whihch you can read through terms and conditions, accept terms, perhaps enter credit card  information and login credentials, and connect."

                                                                       

                                                                      I also apologize if this is already in here, but I couldn't really get through eight pages of whether an eInk browser is usable or not to see.  :smileytongue: