17 Replies Latest reply on Apr 11, 2010 1:16 PM by Large_Marge

    Agency Model one week old

    LarryOnLI

      The so called "Agency Model" of selling eBooks by the "Agency 5" (AKA Axis of Evil) is now one week old.

       

      I am curious to hear from people how this has affected them.

       

      • Did you stock up on books before the change?
      • Have you not bought a book you wanted because the price has gone up?
      • Have you bought a book you wanted despite the price changes?
      • Do you think the publishers have been pricing their books reasonably?
      • Do you think the publishers are out of their @#$%^& minds?

      I'll start off. I bought Jim Butchers latest novel from B&N for $12.99 despite the price increase. Yes I would have liked to buy it for $9.99 but don't fell the three dollar difference was outrageous. My only problem was that B&N was late getting the book up on their site. I'm not sure if that delay was related to the change to the new retailing model or not.

       

       

        • Re: Agency Model one week old
          keriflur

          Yes, Yes, No, No, Absolutely!

           

          I would like Will Grayson, Will Grayson by John Green and David Levithan but the ebook costs more than the hardcover (and it's still not up on B&N's site, but Sony has it).  But because I stocked up on books before April Fools, I'm going to wait it out on this one.

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              Nallia

              I haven't bought a single ebook since the 1st.  I grabbed a few free ones, but that's it.  Before the agency model went into effect, I would buy ebooks that I normally wouldn't read at all because they were inexpensive.  Now I will only by books I really want to read again.  I won't pay HC or close to HC prices for an ebook, so there is a good chance I will buy the HC like I used to when a new book I want is released.  But I won't be buying anything until I read the 20+ unread ebooks I have right now and the 2 library ebooks due back in 2 weeks.

            • Re: Agency Model one week old
              sub_rosa

              1.  Yes, I did stock up on books before the end of the Era of Freedom.

              2.  Yes, I have not bought a book because the price went up.

              3.  No, I have not bought a book I wanted despite the price changes.

              4.  Yes and no.  Many publishers have been reasonable about pricing.  Some publishers have been reasonable on some things, and not so reasonable on other things.

              5.  Yes, I think the publishers are out of their effing minds.

               

              Honestly, Larry, I'm a little disappointed that you fed the monster and bought the Butcher book.  (THAT WAS SAID IN JEST IN CASE ANYONE WAS WORRIED).  But I guess, we all are free to make our own choices.  Hopefully, enough people will not give in to their impulses and put pressure on the Agency 5 (drrrty thirty) and they'll give this up.

               

              • Re: Agency Model one week old
                Hypatia1

                I bought one e-book at $9.99 from Random House - was debating getting it but fact I wanted to reward Random House for their stand tipped the scale.

                 

                There were four mystery books out this week by favorite authors that I really wanted. Two of them had pre-order prices significantly higher than the DTB. Two did not show as available at all. Got two of them for less than the DTB price on B&N through a book club and am on library lending list for other two.

                 

                I would have bought these at $9.99, might have at $11.99 wouldnt at around $18. The pricing on the e-books for two of them now seems to have come down a bit and all seem to be available now - but its too late.

                 

                There are a couple of books I'd like coming out in the next couple of weeks - again both show higher than DTB prices. Book of month club offered a deal so I now have those two on order...

                 

                I like my nook - especially for travel - but have enough books I bought pre-increase to keep me going for a while. At home - its a toss up - I find nook and DTB's about equally pleasant to read - nook has edge for long fantasy books because I hate cracking a books spine and the print is usually miniscule. Nook also wins on space/greener than killing trees arguments. But, I can donate DTB to library, loan it more easily, trade in at used book store,

                 

                I'd say that the net effect of this is to make me a more savvy consumer. I have learnt how to search for cheapest books, decided that library is ok (urge for instant gratification balanced out by fact cannot read everything at same time and annoyance at prices above a certain point). I think publishers benefited more from my previous buying habits and B&N certainly is seeing less of me...

                 

                Anyone looked at what the publishers and B&N's share prices are doing?

                  • Re: Agency Model one week old
                    Nallia

                     

                    Hypatia1 wrote:

                     

                    I like my nook - especially for travel - but have enough books I bought pre-increase to keep me going for a while. At home - its a toss up - I find nook and DTB's about equally plesnat to read - nook has edge for long fantasy books because I hate cracking a books spine and the print is usually miniscule. Nook also wins on space/greener than killing trees arguments. But, I can donate DTB to library, loan it more easily, trade in at used book store,

                     

                    You too?  My friends tease me about that all the time.  They can't understand how I can read a 600+ page book and not crack the spine.  I HATE hearing that noise when I open a HC!  It makes me sad.

                     

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                    • Do you think the publishers are out of their @#$%^& minds?

                     ^ This!

                     

                    I have not bought one eBook that has increased in price. I have, however, purchased and taken advantage of free offers from new authors. And I plan on continuing to vote with my $ until the "Axis of Evil" is overthrown.

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                      1. Yes, I partied with Kobo, but I didn't learn about the wheel of time series until it was too late in the night and the websites had already crashed, so I couldnt buy them.

                      2. Yes, many and more in the future as well that are coming out this month. Plus I cannot justify buying the wheel of time series now that they are all $1.6 more for no good reason even though they are the same price as the paperback.

                      3. No

                      4. No. Especially older books. Most of my purchases since receiving the Nook have been on older books mostly because they were all less than $7, but now many older books are as expensive as the newer ebooks and more expensive or equal to their paperback formats, which isnt right since I am not purchasing any tangible product. Though I did buy a book yesterday at B&N that was $4 cheaper than before the change, but it was still around $14 at the other major ebook retailers so I'm guessing that it may have been a mistake.

                      5. Yes.

                       

                      What doesnt make sense to me is that in the years before I received my Nook I typically only purchased 2 or 3 books each year. I beat that the first day I got the Nook. I have purchased more books in the last two and a half months with my Nook than I probably have my entire life and I expected to continue making purchases frequently. Many people on various discussion boards have also written the same thing. However, I will not be purchasing many in the future until they lower the prices back to what they were before.

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                          What doesn't make sense to me is that in the years before I received my Nook I typically only purchased 2 or 3 books each year. I beat that the first day I got the Nook. I have purchased more books in the last two and a half months with my Nook than I probably have my entire life and I expected to continue making purchases frequently. Many people on various discussion boards have also written the same thing. However, I will not be purchasing many in the future until they lower the prices back to what they were before.

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                          This is what gets me, they complain they're not making enough profit off ebooks due to the loss of their hardcover sales,  but I find it hard to believe with all the books I purchased in the 2 months I've had my nook they haven't made plenty of profit off me as a customer.   I wasn't spending much on hardcovers anyway unless they made it to he bargain bin.   Getting the nook encouraged me to purchase more books (I mean, more than I had in the last year), try new authors, venture into new sub-genres, purchase doubles of books I had in print etc.   All this money I've spent and I still feel like the unwanted customer, the one that cut into their profits with my ebook purchases.  :robotmad:

                           

                          To answer a couple of the original questions -

                           

                          I removed about 10 books off my ebook wish list when they went up in price (all would be paperbacks in print),  they would have been nice to have but I don't need/want them enough to pay several dollars more for them and even more than I'd pay in paperback.   I'm so mad at the publishers right now I'm not going to reward them by purchasing the print copies now anyway.  I'll go to my library or a used bookstore before I put another dime in their pocket.   


                          Yes, I have purchased 3 books since the 'agency model' went into effect but none that had raised their prices and I wanted to reward that.  Before I got my Nook I had become very selective and frugal about spending money on books,   I can go back to doing that again.

                           

                          No, I  didn't stock up ahead of time, I must have been hiding under a rock on in denial because I was blindsided by it.   Had I been paying attention I would have.

                           

                          Linda

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                          LarryOnLI wrote:

                          The so called "Agency Model" of selling eBooks by the "Agency 5" (AKA Axis of Evil) is now one week old.

                           

                          I am curious to hear from people how this has affected them.

                           

                          • Did you stock up on books before the change?
                          • Have you not bought a book you wanted because the price has gone up?
                          • Have you bought a book you wanted despite the price changes?
                          • Do you think the publishers have been pricing their books reasonably?
                          • Do you think the publishers are out of their @#$%^& minds?

                           

                           

                          1. Somewhat, but I wish I had bought more!
                          2. Yes!  I re-discovered Walter Mosely.  He has a 2 books w/a new character (Leonid McGill Series) I'd love to read, but the two books are beyond my price point.
                          3. NO! (See #2)
                          4. NO!  Amazon has Nelson DeMille's "The Lion" (due 6/2010) HC: 18.89; ebook: 25.99.  BN has his "The Lion Game" (1st book) ebook price:  $25.99; reprint paperback is $7.19
                          5. Yes!  The publishers have lost their @#$%^& minds!

                          Like others have mentioned, since buying an ereader, I've bought a lot more ebooks!  The price increase has made me tighten my purse!

                          • Re: Agency Model one week old
                            bklvr896

                            1.  Not really.  I bought a few with the Kobo coupon that I might not have otherwise purchased.

                            2.  Yes and No.  There are some older books I would like to purchase to replace some worn out paperbacks, but they are more than I'm willing to spend on a replacement book.  But they were the same price before April 1 so it isn't because the price has gone up.

                            3.  Not yet.  There haven't been any books released that I want.  The exception would have been the Jim Butcher book, that I would have purchased at the current price, but I bought the HC because I'm going to have him sign it on Saturday.

                            4.  For the ones I've looked at, pretty much.  $12.99 for a new Jim Butcher release is reasonable to me, I'd have paid HC prices for it before I got the Nook.  He is one of the few authors where I would purchase the HC.

                            5.  I think they are confused, worried and scrambling around trying to figure out what to do.  I think they should have told Steve Job's where to take is iBookstore and shove it.  I don't think the iPad is going to be as big a player in the ebook arena as some think, it's not going to be like iTunes and they should screw with the true booksellers to pander to Apple. 

                             

                            My decision making process for buying books is pretty much the same as it was before I got the Nook. HC is released.  Do I buy or not?  Except for about 6 authors, No.  I put it in my wishlist and wait until the PB is released.  (Or now, for the ebook to come down in price)

                             

                            I have no problems reading DTBs still and will still be frequenting used book stores, especially for older books in a series.

                             

                            BTW, I spent $1,400 last year on books that i can account for.  That's a little more than $100 per month.  I've spent about $250 on books so far this year, but, I had a stockpile of books from last year to read, and many of the authors I read release their new books mid year so my spending tends to increase during the year.

                             

                            One other thing, I check Amazon yesterday and the New Jim Butcher book wasn't available for the Kindle, but they were selling the HC for $9.99.

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                              No.  

                              No.  

                              Yes:  Just bought Bite Me for 10.99 (I'm okay with a dollar more.)

                              Sometimes.

                              Yes.

                               

                              I have purchased quite a few Baen eBooks since the agency model was announced.  I've been going to my library or reading science fiction pulp. 

                               

                               

                                • Re: Agency Model one week old
                                  • Did you stock up on books before the change? No
                                  • Have you not bought a book you wanted because the price has gone up? No
                                  • Have you bought a book you wanted despite the price changes? Yes
                                  • Do you think the publishers have been pricing their books reasonably? No (see below)
                                  • Do you think the publishers are out of their @#$%^& minds? I think they are confused

                                  I don't understand the pricing. I have purchase the 5 books in the Percey Jackson series. Here is a now and then comparison:

                                   

                                  Book#        Price 3 weeks ago        Price today

                                  1                $4.40                            $6.39

                                  2                $4.40                            $5.99

                                  3                $4.40                            $4.40

                                  4                $6.39                            $6.39

                                  5                $6.99                            $9.49

                                   

                                  The changes don't make sense to me for the most part. I get book 1, it is a movie and they are trying to ride the coat tales of that. I don't see the logic or model they used in the price changes of the others.

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                                    You know what bothers me more than the pricing is that it seems to take so long for a book to be released as an ebook.  Who is it that is holding this up?  If Amazon has it available for the Kindle, shouldn't B&N for the nook?  I don't really even care about the price if I can get the ebook sooner.  I won't buy a DTB though.

                                     

                                    I must have been out in space cause I didn't know about the book prices going up.  I saw huge increases in some of the books on my wish list ($10 to $18) but they did come back down a few days later.  I've purchased some books since April 1 but I don't remember them being higher than before.

                                     

                                    I also have purchased a lot more books on my nook that I would have at the store.  Have the publishers not been able to see that profit? 

                                     

                                    I enjoy reading all of this here because you guys stay on top of this much more than I do.  I get quite an education when I come here!  Thanks!!

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                                    • Did you stock up on books before the change?

                                    No - I didn't even know the changes occurred until two days ago when one of my Fictionwise pre-orders were no longer available for me to download.

                                     

                                    • Have you not bought a book you wanted because the price has gone up?

                                    Yes - I've posted several times about my dismay due to Penguin's exhorbitant pricing of all John Steinbeck books.

                                     

                                    • Have you bought a book you wanted despite the price changes?

                                    No - my resolve runs deep; I will not be purchasing any books from any of the Agency 5.

                                     

                                    • Do you think the publishers have been pricing their books reasonably?

                                    The non-Agency 5 have been doing fine, in my opinion.  I think that the Stieg Larsson series ("The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo" et al) is priced in a tolerable range.

                                     

                                    • Do you think the publishers are out of their @#$%^& minds?

                                    I find it ridiculous that the publishers are bowing down to Steve Jobs when the iBook store has barely even been launched and the iPad has not even proven its usefulness as an eReader.  I officially will be boycotting all Apple products (and just as I was about to invest in a new iPod).  I have a lot of stamina and will power, so I have no problem waiting it out until all of these companies come to their senses.

                                    • A minority report
                                      Doug_Pardee

                                      Fortunately for me, I'm not 'invested' in any best-seller series or any authors. I'm happy reading the 'long tail' works that are available for free (Smashwords is my major source). I've got about 60 unread free novels in my queue, and more get added faster than I read them.

                                       

                                      • Did you stock up on books before the change? No. I haven't bought any e-books.

                                       

                                      • Have you not bought a book you wanted because the price has gone up? No. I haven't bought any e-books.

                                       

                                      • Have you bought a book you wanted despite the price changes? No. I haven't bought any e-books.

                                       

                                      • Do you think the publishers have been pricing their books reasonably? There are some ridiculous prices, but many look reasonable. Maybe prices will settle as the publishers get some experience, maybe not. We'll see.

                                       

                                      • Do you think the publishers are out of their @#$%^& minds? Time will tell. I suspect that from the 'Agency 5' point of view, this was mainly a counterstrike against Amazon's predatory pricing practices that threatened to wipe out everyone in the e-book market except Amazon. I also suspect that it'll take more than that to bring any kind of competition to the e-bookstore business—Amazon still has an unparalleled catalog of modern e-books, and it sells them internationally. With Target coming on-board as a Kindle seller (rumored), Amazon's going to be even more formidable.
                                      • Re: Agency Model one week old
                                        JoanieGranola

                                         

                                        LarryOnLI wrote:

                                        The so called "Agency Model" of selling eBooks by the "Agency 5" (AKA Axis of Evil) is now one week old.

                                         

                                        I am curious to hear from people how this has affected them.

                                         

                                        • Did you stock up on books before the change?
                                        • Have you not bought a book you wanted because the price has gone up?
                                        • Have you bought a book you wanted despite the price changes?
                                        • Do you think the publishers have been pricing their books reasonably?
                                        • Do you think the publishers are out of their @#$%^& minds?

                                         

                                        OK, I'm like a few others who had no idea that there was an "Agency 5" and that ebook prices were going up. I routinely watch the prices and have seen that they've been fluctuating ridiculously, and am very disappointed that most of the books on my wishlist have gone up by $3-5.

                                        1. No, because I didn't have the money, but I wanted to.

                                        2. Yes, quite a few in fact.

                                        3. Yes, but only because the price has gone up twice and it was part of a series.

                                        4. Not really. I think the $9.99 is a good model, but I'd like to see ebooks priced the same or lower than paperbacks. New releases, though, I think I'd pay a little more for if I really wanted it.

                                        5. Absolutely. I think they're being totally greedy. I've downloaded quite a few free ebooks just because I'm not going to buy ebooks until the prices start going down again. I have plenty to read for the moment, so I can wait.

                                        • Re: Agency Model one week old
                                          LarryOnLI wrote:
                                           
                                          • Did you stock up on books before the change?
                                          • Have you not bought a book you wanted because the price has gone up?
                                          • Have you bought a book you wanted despite the price changes?
                                          • Do you think the publishers have been pricing their books reasonably?
                                          • Do you think the publishers are out of their @#$%^& minds? 

                                          No, because I have quite a few to read already.

                                          No.

                                          No, because I have quite a few to read already.

                                          Yes, the publishers prices have been fine.  Some of the pricing at the retailer is hard to figure.

                                          No.  I think the people that believe publishers and retailers should set an artificial, arbitrary price are a little ... naive.