25 Replies Latest reply on Sep 25, 2012 11:58 PM by keriflur

    Nook 2012 Predictions

      When Kindle announces the Fire 2 later this year, you know that BN will have an ace up their sleeve and drop their new Nook announcement shortly after... I have some theories on what the next gen nook should be... At minimum it should be made for nook study, be a larger screen, perhaps be a color e-ink screen... Roll out the textbooks store, video, and music stores at the same time... What are your predictions for 2012?
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          I think a 7" screen is ideal for these Tablets and their intended purpose.. I'd say BN direction will depend on how the Nook Tablet does.. I can easily see them staying with the same design but bumping up the spec sheet and adding some new features and content areas.
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            I predict that by early spring there will be an SD card sold for the Nook Tablet that will provide the average user with more flexability than any other 7" ereader/tab.  The nook tablet will take it's rightful place as the most versatile, best bang for your buck device on the market. 

             

            There will be a shake up in B&N management, especially in the product development division.  The development emphasis will shift from trying to keep the tablet walled in to developing and refining the process to get the user apps and functionality to the market.  Apps such as effective browsers, email, backup and security will be top shelf priorities. 

             

            Video and music content will be available through B&N. 

             

            More subscription magazines that are specificly formatted for the Nook Tablet will become available and B&N will be recognized as the leader in that particular arena.

             

            Clearer, younger heads will prevail at B&N management and they will adjust their mission statement to reflect that.  No longer will the emphasis be on just selling product but will target ongoing support for customers.

             

            I know I have been a outspoken critic of some of the actions B&N has taken with the Nook Tablet but after weighing all the facts, I'm on board with the tablet 100%.  I can't believe that B&N management would squander the golden business opportunity they have with the Nook Tablet with a short sighted, closed, decision making process. 

             

            I have very high hopes for the tablet.  Unlike others, I don't believe that they will launch tablet 2 this year.  They will provide REAL software upgrades that showcase and enhance the capabilities of the tablet.  They may be in the process of developing hardware add ons with 3 party suppliers that would utilize the USB port. 

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                I predict that BN will not have any new tablet type hardware until possible next November.  The NC has seen it's last software update while the NT will continue to get minor software updates.  The first CPO/refurb NT's will appear at a price of $220 around February 15.  BN will listen to the electronic customers and create a BN media membership with discounts and incentives for tablet owners. 

                 

                In non-tablets, BN will revise the N2E to be thinner and lighter with better battery life but basically using the same e-ink technology.

                 

                Robo, not sure color e-ink or mirasol have vibrant enough color saturation yet to be commercially viable but if they are, yes I expect BN to be the first on board.

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                patgolfneb
                I actually would like BN to try and market some products that appeal to the creative process, interactive music and story writing programs, maybe even collaborative ones. By the next generation device the chips and memory might be advanced enough to make it possible. I also predict somone will bring back you don't know jack, hire Bill Maher to be an insulting voice when you are wrong.
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                    re: Mirasol

                     

                    The Kyobo reader came around $310 equivalent in South Korea.  Not sure about standard of living adjustments but it was basically a 6" screen.  I don't see that being much of a seller here in the states.  Just look at how flipped out people are their $250 color ereader (with some tablet-like functions) doesn't function like an Android tablet.  To do a 10" you are basically in iPad territory on price.  If iPad3 has retina display, not likely any college kid would want mirasol (battery life and reading in sunlight would take a back seat to huge app store, device interconnectivity, gaming...)

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                        I think one thing it comes down to is what Apple has in store. If they are not doing the 7" mini iPad thing, which they have already dismissed, then they may be launching an upgraded quad core iPad 3 while chopping the price of the iPad 2s which will drag down the price of the yen inchers... Technology advances and presumably the last generation of LCD screen, even at 10" will get a price cut which may leave a window for BN to create an entry ten incher device... Maybe...?
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                        Patgolfneb: I like the idea of the creative collaboration apps... While not quite the same, I think of some of Smule's interactive music apps like Ocarina for the iPhone... Users play the ocarina in real time and at any moment can listen to other music being sung by other users around the globe in real time... Something like that would be cool... While not quite the same, and not yet interactive, one cool app I've found on the Nook Tablet is Mini Piano... It's actually a pretty cool app with a rather nice look and sound that turns your nook into a little electronic keyboard... Imagine Mini Piano but real time and interactive so people could jam together...
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                        Well speeking as someone that was once a devoted NOOK owner and decided to go Kindle Fire and sell my nook.  What will bring me back is a tablet that looks more like a tablet like no handle on the lower left and the ability to download non nook apps. The kindle lets you shut off the security settings so you can downlooad other apps. With the kindle I do not need a N2A card or any rooting. i even have the NOOK app on my Kindle!  Now if I can get the kindle app on a nook ??  i understand a no-kindle purchase restriction but a way to view previously bought kindle books Just a thought to attract people from a kindle to a nook or to attract previous nook owners. Also a screen more like a tablet, no more big blocky apps but something more streamlined and smaller and customizeable.

                         

                        now tablets are getting so cheap you do not need a nook or a kindle anymore, you can get a full fledged tablet at the same pricepoint

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                            flyingtoastr

                            It is legally impossible for anyone to release a "Kindle Reader" app without Amazon's direct approval. To read a book you have to unlock the DRM, and since Amazon does not share its DRM with anyone it would require stripping of said DRM to read it on a non-supported platform.

                             

                            Thus the nice cute bow amazon ties all its customers up in.

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                                bobstro

                                It is certainly possible to load the Kindle Android app on a NOOK Color or Tablet. B&N has just chosen to make it difficult. Once rooted, the Kindle app loads and runs just fine on B&N modified Android firmware. Once again, the restriction is only one imposed by B&N, not a technical one. While I can understand B&N not wanting users to purchase books from Amazon on a NOOK, surely they should realize they're making it difficult for anyone with an existing investment in Amazon books to migrate, even if they do think the NOOK the superior device.

                                 

                                Someone recently posted some sales numbers that showed B&N gaining on Amazon in the tablet market, with both below 1%. That same data showed Samsung as having double the sales of either (below a paltry 2% of the market total, but still double). Interesting that the device that allows users to load both Kindle and Amazon apps is outselling either dedicated reader. Now, to be fair, those sales include Samsungs higher-end units, and not just their $250 7 inch tablets, but it does call into question assertions that large numbers of readers are clamoring for dedicated ereaders. Why fight it out in the ereader-only market when the open market is much larger? Just make your app (and store) available to as wide a market as possible, and quit fretting about what users do with the device they paid for.

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                              I think both the NC and NT are on the way out.  Since the battery is not replaceable (even by B&N), you are basically SOL once your warranty expires.  The chargers are a piece of crap, and there are no generic chargers you can purchase (I am not about to waste electricity using my computer's usb to sloowwly charge my NC, even if I could find a usb cord that actually fit into the NC).  You are stuck with B&N apps unless you root.  B&N overprices many books that are not agency books and sometimes even charge for free books (I paid $2.99 for an ebook, only to find out after I paid and downloaded that it was supposed to be a free copy).  Their customer service sucks and if you don't live near a B&N forget about any help or discounts on purchases.  When you can buy a cheap android tablet ($100-150) that allows access to google play, amazon app store, or 1mobile, has a generic charger, has features NC doesn't have (like a camera), etc., why would someone buy a NC or NT?  And if Apple comes out with a mini ipad like the rumors are saying, B&N is really screwed!

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                                  bobstro

                                  Irishelf wrote:

                                  I think both the NC and NT are on the way out. 


                                  I agree they're on the way out, or at least due for replacement


                                  Since the battery is not replaceable (even by B&N), you are basically SOL once your warranty expires.  The chargers are a piece of crap, and there are no generic chargers you can purchase (I am not about to waste electricity using my computer's usb to sloowwly charge my NC, even if I could find a usb cord that actually fit into the NC).


                                  They're not on the way out because of the battery. The best selling devices these days largely have the same limitation. You're not SOL until the battery actually dies, which can easily be 4-5 years with the current technologies. At that point, the devices are pretty dated anyhow. There are shops that will do a replacement for you. At last check, the battery is about $40, plus labor to install.

                                   

                                  If you get a high(er) amperate adapter, the unit will charge more quickly than off a 500 mAh adapter, though still not nearly as quick as on the NOOK charger. The cable is definitey the weak link in the equation.


                                  [...] has a generic charger, has features NC doesn't have (like a camera), etc., why would someone buy a NC or NT?  And if Apple comes out with a mini ipad like the rumors are saying, B&N is really screwed!


                                  Generic chargers seem to be harder to find. Samsung and Apple both use proprietary cables, and require high output adapters as well, no?

                                   

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                                  patgolfneb
                                  BN no longer has the advantage of being the first quality 7 inch device with some tablet features. I think it is wrong to assume all is doom. They have had some time to develop resources, evaluate the mistakes many post about with such fervor. If they can use what they have learned to bring additional devices to market with the right features at the right price they still have stores and a well known brand that gives them entry with customers not always thrilled with the best buy or amazon experience. Many of this forums most vocal participants will probably be dissatisfied since except for screen quality and battery life other devices will have additional features.
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                                    patgolfneb
                                    http://www.pcworld.com/article/258927/why_small_tablets_will_dominate_the_tablet_market.html#tk.hp_new I posted this link in another thread in community. I feel the author makes the case for 7 inch devices becoming the dominant size. It makes me wonder if long term it will limit the growth of high feature smart phones, especially if public access wi fi grows, not a sure thing. I just question this trend of all your devices needing cameras especially. At some point the market may adopt certain features for phones and others for tablets. Of course there is a divide between business and personal use. I think 10 inch may become the business standard and 7 inch for everyone else.
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                                      robotecture wrote:
                                      When Kindle announces the Fire 2 later this year, you know that BN will have an ace up their sleeve and drop their new Nook announcement shortly after... I have some theories on what the next gen nook should be... At minimum it should be made for nook study, be a larger screen, perhaps be a color e-ink screen... Roll out the textbooks store, video, and music stores at the same time... What are your predictions for 2012?

                                      They will again deliver amazing tablet hardware. B&N will call it NT 2 or something like that, but they will fail (again)  to deliver tablet software. They will remove the sdcard in order to stifle innovation. They will continue to deliver lackluster software updates that only continue to lock users into the B&N "experience". (if there is such a thing?) The bootloader will be locked as well. (but eventually cracked) B&N will consider it a success when in reality its just another failed attempt. 

                                       

                                      JT

                                      Don't call it a Tablet!

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                                        patgolfneb
                                        Isn't this issue basic to business in general. Commonality of models and platforms makes for stability and consistent comfort of use for customers. Innovation requires new features, updated models, often increased complexity to serve special niches. Windows has been handicapped by expectations of backward compatibility and reliance on the X86 kernel, I base this on popular press statements and claim no OS expertise. BN has to balance these issues as well. Invest in newer devices, updated versions of android, new features, while not alienating loyal users of older devices. They must do this with a smaller revenue base, I don't think Apples OS development costs are proportionally larger. On the other hand the only non OS software for BN is their bookstores and reader apps. This means fair or not BN can't afford for them to be anything but top rank. I believe improving the reader apps and store have taken a back seat to the hardware and OS development. It's time more attention is now returned to the reader apps and shopping experience. The hardware focus brings valuable new customers, but with out improved reader apps and improvements in the shopping experience they won't be able to keep them.
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                                          patgolfneb
                                          5ivedom, I couldn't agree more. Capitalism is not only about making the most money possible. We used to be taught that the goal of capitalism is to allocate resources, deliver needed products and services efficiently, reward the producers / creators and investors. It has become acceptable, even fashionable to deceive and treat customers as if they are a problem. It has become accepted to treat employees as if they are merely a controllable cost, not worthy of sharing in companies success. Especially if providing needed services in non business areas, there is no expectation that fair reimbursement for their skills and contributions. Investors and a few in positions of influence feel entitled not to fair compensation but rewards all out of proportion to their contributions. History shows that seeking to promote fair treatment for all is critical. Failure to seek basic fairness can desabilize and even destroy countries. It is time business return to seeking for all customers, average employes, investors, management, be truly treated as partners in a mutually beneficial enterprise.
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                                              This is demonstrably nonsense.  The goal of capitalism has ALWAYS been to make money.  As a side benefit/method (depending on how you see it) it used to be a money maker to "allocate resources, deliver needed products and services efficiently, reward the producers / creators and investors" .  In a global economy, where the rules aren't always the same that's simply not the case.  Customer are and have always been an issue (how to capture their attention, get them to buy your goods etc.).  Employees have always been a cost factor.  What's different now is that it used to be that to get skilled and competent labor it was required to treat employees like valued resources.  When you have countries that are specializing in exceedingly cheap labor and controlling the value of their currency, capitalism just won't work "right".  It's not about fair treatment for all but it is about having the same rules for all (note that employees that are partners are called entrepreneurs or business owners).  As an example, if you set up one country with minimum wage laws them set up another country with no lower limit on wages you will find that the country without wage limits provides goods at a cheaper price.  The only way to compete with a country like that is to set up incentives (usually tax based) to get companies to set up shop in your country.

                                               

                                              "Investors and a few in positions of influence feel entitled not to fair compensation but rewards all out of proportion to their contributions"

                                               

                                              Really?  If it's so easy and their contributions are minimal go make your own business and see how far that gets you.   I will agree that there needs to be more oversight on who can be on a company's board of directors, and we need to find a way to limit institutional investing to force investors to not simply look at a company's stock price but the company's overall viability and profit

                                               

                                               Another way to compete (and the usual route taken in these times in the US with the government being so hostile to both small and large business ) is to move to a service based industry.  This is what the book retailing industry has to do (like Amazon. Microsoft, Oracle, Google, Apple as examples).  Amazon has done a brilliant job of creating their own proprietary e-book format then ensuring that no matter what device you use (for the most part) you can consume their e-books.  The Nook was designed and until the newest kindle (which I haven't seen so I just don’t know) was the best reader device on the market.  Unfortunately that's not good enough since apparently the market wants an OK reader with more flexibility to run other apps.  They need to make the nook reader the best e-reader on the market and stick it everywhere.  Provide cloud based storage so that you can stick your e-books in the Barnes and Noble cloud so you can move from device to device.  If they still want a great reader device- fine, but do not focus on that.  Focus on outstanding ebook price and selection, and let the consumer choose whatever device they want - since they'd all run Nook

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                                                  patgolfneb

                                                  Cerunan, I don't wish to resume the OT discussion, but of course I am, sigh. I find it frustrating that any criticisim of captitalism, is almost immediately followed by a lecture that boils down to you just don't understand economics / capitalism.  I have have a business degree and have owned my own business.  More importantly like any institution, education, health care, etc. it has weaknesses and issues.  Capitalism is inherrently unstable, isn't it?.  Seeking to identify and limit those  problems, business cycle, the tendancy for those in position to manipulate things to enrich themselves are relevent issues.  Can you really declare that a CEO who makes 1000 times the average company wage in a big company works that much harder and is that much more skilled and talented? After all China is a capitalist country now.  The USA was created as a democracy to foster individual freedoms and pursuit of happiness.  Those things mean nothing if only a few really have those opprotunities no matter how hard they work.

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                                                      keriflur

                                                      Any discussion of capitalism eventually leads to politics, so how about I just reference Hitler now, and we can get back on topic? :smileywink: 

                                                       

                                                      So what do you think the odds are that the new nook announcement happens tomorrow? We heard it's supposed to be this month, and there's not much month left. 

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                                                          wouldn't bet on it

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                                                            keriflur wrote:

                                                            Any discussion of capitalism eventually leads to politics, so how about I just reference Hitler now, and we can get back on topic? :smileywink: 

                                                             

                                                            So what do you think the odds are that the new nook announcement happens tomorrow? We heard it's supposed to be this month, and there's not much month left. 


                                                            It might not be announced WAY in advance, but it won't be a total surprise like that. It would be much less surprising if they said tomorrow that they would be having an event on Thursday.

                                                             

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                                                                keriflur

                                                                Called it on the date.  :smileyhappy:

                                                                 

                                                                ETA: I'm now wondering if this is the last announcement for this fall.  The new HDs seem pretty awesome, but I don't see the new screen tech that was mentioned a while back.  Could there be more coming, maybe in the reflective screen realm?