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      • 60. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

        gr8wing wrote: "For people that just bought a nook for reading, you spent too much money."

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        Personally, I agree that $249 is too much for a device that is useful only for reading books. (For me, however, the NT was only $224, because I renewed my B&N membership, which will more than pay for itself through discounts on other purchases.) That's why I did not buy one of the original Kindles when Amazon launched the line. In fact, I'm not sure that I would pay even $99 for a Nook Simple Touch or Kindle Touch, because they can't display color, and thus would be very limited for me even as readers.

         

        Realistically, however, the NT enables a user to do a lot more than just read books, even if he or she is unfortunately stuck in 1.4.1 with only the factory apps. Magazine formatting is very good. The NT handles light Web browsing and e-mailing pretty well (not heavy-duty stuff, of course). The Netflix app is excellent. There are games and music -- not everything you'd want, but maybe enough for some people, especially those who don't even use their full-fledged PCs for much more than this.

         

        And I've been able to continue to add lots of apps just by avoiding (not blocking) the 1.4.1 update. I would recommend this approach to everyone if it were feasible, but perhaps I've simply been lucky.

        • 61. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

          The fact that a single issue can inspire someone to join the forum just to address it is an indicator of the power of the issue, not necessarily of the lack of seriousness of the poster.

           

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          Very good point, but much too subtle for a lot of people.  At least he got a proper introduction to the warm, welcoming environment of the B&N ecosystem.:smileywink:

          • 62. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

            gr8wing wrote:

            but I was just sharing my opinion of what Barnes and Noble did and how I handled it.  They advertised it as an android based tablet and that is what I expected..



            Can you post a link to something that is officially from B&N that advertised it as an Android Tablet?

             

            In a press release on 11/7 called:

            Barnes & Noble Partners with Leading Developers, Content Providers to Bring Expanded NOOK Apps™ Experience to NOOK Tablet™

             

            They do use the term "Nook's open android platform" in that article. But they also say: "Built on the Android OS, it is fast and easy for third-party developers to deploy existing Android-based apps to NOOK’s open eReading platform." (Which pretty much shows their intent.)

             

            BTW: None of the other Nook press released mention Android.

             

            I find it amusing that some people want to redefine the term Tablet merely to support their opinions.  BTW: I have a Nokia N800 Internet Tablet from a few years ago. It won't load ANY android apps. But it is still a tablet since it is a computing device with a touch screen.

             

            • 63. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

              I find it amusing that some people want to redefine the term Tablet merely to support their opinions

               

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              Not really opinions, expectations.  My GPS fits the description of a computing device with a touchscreen.  Most people would not consider it a tablet.  Terms are redefined constantly to keep up with the current state of technology.  What was a tablet at some time in the past might not be considered one today.  Other tablets have set the level of expectation for any other device calling itself a tablet, and a lot of people feel it falls short of their expectations. 

              • 64. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                The problem is that everyone keeps thinking that it is an Android tablet.  It is NOT an Android tablet.  It is a Nook tablet built with the Nook OS.  Yes the Nook OS is built on Android but BN obviously doesn't consider it to be an Android tablet since they won't support all the Android functionality.  Obvously they are confortable with a Nook Tablet that is less functional than an Android tablet.

                • 65. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                  simply go to a store and ask the salesman what the nook is running for software. 

                  • 66. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                    People Magazine must be a book because it is paper and you have to turn the pages.

                    • 67. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                      True poiuy, I guess using the logic that a tablet is a tablet, we can then say a pad of paper is a tablet, oh wait....  it was.  And the iPad is an automatic sanitary napkin.

                      • 68. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                        Nom-de-Nook wrote:

                        The problem is that everyone keeps thinking that it is an Android tablet.  It is NOT an Android tablet.  It is a Nook tablet built with the Nook OS.  Yes the Nook OS is built on Android but BN obviously doesn't consider it to be an Android tablet since they won't support all the Android functionality.  Obvously they are confortable with a Nook Tablet that is less functional than an Android tablet.



                        You're absolutely right.  It is NOT an android tablet.  It is a device that gives you a ticket to the B&N experience.  Although I've moved on and bought a Galaxy tab 7.0 plus, I still recommend the Nook Tablet to most people who ask me.  It is true that too much capabilities is overwhelming for some and not necessary for others.  Many people like the B&M bookstore experience and the idea of a device that carries that content from the store.  B&N fills the need for those folks just as it is.  I've recommended the Nook Tablet to 3 people who asked about my Galaxy Tab in the last 4 days.

                         

                        Since I no longer have a dog in this fight I prefer to sing it's praises rather than castigate it's shortcomings.

                        The GalTab7p is so trouble free and non controversial that there really are no good sub-forums on the sites so I still come back here because it has the most interesting people and threads.  :smileyhappy: 

                        • 69. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                          Interesting.  So prepending the word Nook to a device indicates a necessary lowering of expectations for the device category.  I'm not sure that speaks particularly well for the Nook brand, but it is noted for future reference.  Sort of the Yugo of the tablet world.

                          • 70. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                            poiuy wrote:

                            Terms are redefined constantly to keep up with the current state of technology.  What was a tablet at some time in the past might not be considered one today.



                            Terms are also redefined at will by people on internet forums.

                             

                            And my old Internet Tablet is still a tablet. It might not meet your personal defitinion if you have decided that you want to add ambiguous requirements to the definition. But I can surf the net, watch movies, play music, and run apps. (Just not android apps.)

                             

                            BTW: I've also noticed that nobody could actually show where B&N advertised teh device as an Android Tablet.... apparently it was easier to sidetrack the issue by discussing the definition of a tablet.

                            • 71. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                              So after getting my nook to be a real tablet running Android, I have customized it the way I wanted it. Here are some screen shots of the various screens. You can click on a picture for a larger shot.

                              Just Saying-

                              • 72. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                                Terms are also redefined at will by people on internet forums.

                                 

                                And my old Internet Tablet is still a tablet. It might not meet your personal defitinion if you have decided that you want to add ambiguous requirements to the definition. But I can surf the net, watch movies, play music, and run apps. (Just not android apps.)

                                 

                                BTW: I've also noticed that nobody could actually show where B&N advertised teh device as an Android Tablet.... apparently it was easier to sidetrack the issue by discussing the definition of a tablet.

                                 

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                                I don't believe that I said anywhere that I wouldn't consider your device a tablet.  General comments are also taken far too personally by people on internet forums.  Some people might not consider it a tablet in today's environment.  That should not be taken as a personal affront.

                                 

                                I've just looked over today's posts and I can't find where I've specified any requirements to the definition, merely that I don't think this device particularly qualifies.  I believe I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are? 

                                 

                                As for the Android thing, you'll also find that I haven't mentioned that either.  I couldn't care if they got the OS from a pit of fairy mud.  Obviously it doesn't have to run Android to be a tablet. 

                                 

                                You may not agree with my opinion but I do have as much right to post it as anyone else, and perhaps you could only disagree with the things I actually said?

                                • 73. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                                  Tablet definition:

                                   

                                  1. A slab or plaque, as of stone or ivory, with a surface that is intended for or bears an inscription.
                                  2.
                                  a. A thin sheet or leaf, used as a writing surface.
                                  b. A set of such leaves fastened together, as in a book.
                                  c. A pad of writing paper glued together along one edge.
                                  3. A small flat pellet of medication to be taken orally.
                                  4. A small flat cake of a prepared substance, such as soap.
                                  tr.v.tab·let·ed, tab·let·ing, tab·lets
                                  1. To inscribe on a tablet.
                                  2. To form into a tablet.
                                   

                                  There several styles of tablets:

                                   

                                  • A convertible tablet typically has a display that rotates 180 degrees and can be folded to close, screen up, over the integrated keyboard. Convertible models may allow user input through a variety of methods in addition to the hardware keyboard, including natural handwriting with a stylus or digital pen and typing through a screen-based software keyboard.
                                  • A slate tablet, such as an iPad, has electronics integrated into the touch screen unit and lacks a hardware keyboard. However, external keyboards are available for slate tablets, some of which function as docks for the devices.
                                  • A hybrid tablet, sometimes referred to as a convertible or hybrid notebook, is like a regular notebook but with a removable display that functions independently as a slate.
                                  • A rugged tablet is a slate-like model that is designed to withstand rough handling and extreme conditions. Rugged tablets are usually encased in a protective shell and have shock-protected hard drives.

                                  I don't thing the nook qualifies for any of them.

                                  • 74. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....
                                    Omnigeek

                                    After 25+ years on the Internet, I've found that the SNR from people who join a forum just to post a negative comment is usually below 1.  gr8wing's first post certainly fit that mold but I'll be more than happy to welcome him to the community if he in fact has something positive to contribute rather than the whines, misstatements and overstatements I've typically seen from low count posters coming in from this single issue.

                                     

                                    In fact, his screenshots are intriguing and could be very positive if he wants to talk about the steps he took to get there.

                                     

                                    It should be obvious that the Nook Tablet doesn't qualify to be an Android tablet -- for one thing, they lack the hard buttons mandated by Google as part of the specification to call it "Android".  Of course people have juryrigged to use other buttons in their custom installs on the Nook Color but it still could never claim to be an Android tablet by virtue of the specifications.

                                     

                                    As far as doing the research, try your Google-fu again.  You'll find the KF has roughly equal battery time with the Nook COLOR and therefore about 3-3.5 hours less than the Nook TABLET.  Unless of course you MEANT to compare the NT's wifi-enabled video streaming play time to the KF's wifi-off power-saving mode time.

                                     

                                    I'm all for acknowledging the limitations of the Nook Tablet -- as well as the Kindle Fire, Asus A500, HTC Flyer, iPad and any other device.  What irks me is the incessant melodrama and over-the-top statements and misstatements about what B&N claimed and sold.  Google and the Android community didn't invent the concept or word "tablet".  The fact is that the Nook Tablet (as well as the Kindle Fire, iPad and other tablets) can run various user-selectable applications with both network connectivity and user data input capabilities.  It does so using a a thin light form factor with a touch screen.  Whether or not you can root it, run sideloaded applications or get the applications YOU want is irrelevant.

                                     

                                    All of the products I've mentioned have their own faults and shortcomings.  The NT apparently meets the needs of more people than B&N had expected.  Yes, it COULD be more if they did things that Adam and others want them to do but of course they would probably lose other apps or business connections they want with it which may lose them more customers than they lose by the sideloaders being disgruntled.

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