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      • 120. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....
        roustabout

        Krier, don't apologize.  If it was your post that helped spark the discussion around GPL, then that was a good post.  

         

        People thinking about what the GPLs (and revisions) do and do not cover?  That seems like a much more interesting set of things than "is too a tablet" "is NOT a tablet" :smileyhappy:

        • 121. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....
          patgolfneb

          I have limited knowledge of gpl. My question is as far as I know it is a copyright license and remedy would be limited to stopping BN from further distribution of programs relying on gpl sourced code. It would seem to me that only contributors have standing for legal action. For those of us who are end users not really a good outcome. It seems likely that companies can respond by finding ways to deny device access even if source code is released. Is it possible that apples ios and drivers contain no gpl code? So why isn't apple a target? What am I missing here? What about libraries called by programs, couldn't this cripple them also. It seems to me gpl exists to create open software development not determine how content is purchased. Once again it seems an awfully big hammer misapplied for a very different goal since the most often stated goal is forcing android market access. I realize there are some with other reasons, but I have trouble based on the attitudes displayed in trusting these actions are for reasons I could support.

          • 122. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....
            flyingtoastr

            krier32 wrote:

             

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            .apk is not listed anywhere under "supported file formats" in any NOOK Tablet documentation, and thus is not a supported file format for sideloading according to BN's standards.

             

            I don't care if BN reenables sideloading, but they need to amend the warranty if they do so. BN shouldn't have to offer any further service to your device if you decide to mess around with non-supported settings and files. I know I have far more important things to do when I'm at work than trying to fix someone's NOOK because the super-awesome-free app they downloaded nuked their system.

            • 123. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

              Just for curiousity's sake, how many Nook Colors have you had to waste your time on because some "evil" software nuked their device?

               

              Inquiring minds want to know how big a problem this really is.

              • 124. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                flyingtoastr wrote:
                .apk is not listed anywhere under "supported file formats" in any NOOK Tablet documentation, and thus is not a supported file format for sideloading according to BN's standards.

                apk file format is supported by the Android OS by default isn't it?

                 

                With all due respect, B&N's standards are not listed in the TOS that they want the customer to agree to. 

                 

                I think a lot of this is caused by the fact that B&N left too much open to interpretation.  You know, internal miscommunication. Technology didn't talk to legal , legal didn't talk to marketing, marketing didn't talk to accounting....and don't forget the biggie....management didn't talk to anyone.

                • 125. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                  Aren't the apps from the B&N app store also apk files?  So does that mean they are not supported either?

                  • 126. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....
                    flyingtoastr

                    mohawkx wrote:

                    Just for curiousity's sake, how many Nook Colors have you had to waste your time on because some "evil" software nuked their device?

                     

                    Inquiring minds want to know how big a problem this really is.


                    There was a memorable afternoon when one of our managers flashed a partial OS onto the internal memory of his son's NOOK Color that completely wiped the device out. Took me about 2 hours to get the darn thing to work again.

                     

                    But regardless, it doesn't matter how much of an actual "problem" it is. "Sideloading" apps is not supported by BN. Period. They need to make it explicitly clear and rewrite the Warranty. I don't have a problem with people doing what they want with the device, but they need to understand that the second they start doing unsupported things they are on their own. Don't come whining to me and demanding a new device for your bricked one when you were muching around doing things that BN expressly doesn't intend for you to do.

                    • 127. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                      flyingtoastr wrote: "But regardless, it doesn't matter how much of an actual "problem" it is. "Sideloading" apps is not supported by BN. Period. They need to make it explicitly clear and rewrite the Warranty. I don't have a problem with people doing what they want with the device, but they need to understand that the second they start doing unsupported things they are on their own. Don't come whining to me and demanding a new device for your bricked one when you were muching around doing things that BN expressly doesn't intend for you to do."

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                      How much of your policy prescription is based on what is best for B&N's customers, or even what is best for B&N itself in the long run, as opposed to what is best for you, personally, in the short term? I'm glad that most companies attempt to balance customer needs and organizational costs when determining warranty and support policies, rather than operating on a "least possible annoyance to our staff" basis.

                      • 128. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....
                        TnTexas

                        Maybe I'm wrong, but I think there's a significant difference between flashing a partial OS and simply sideloading an app. The first requires rooting and playing around with the internal coding (which I've always heard does void the warranty); the second doesn't. You can do it as part of the rooting experience, but rooting isn't necessarily required for it. 

                        • 129. Re: Regarding 1.4.1....

                           


                                  krier32 wrote:

                              Amazon specifically spells out the meaning of "Digital Content" in their TOS and it includeds apps.



                          Not that it matters but the amazon documents available online do not agree with your post.

                           

                          Reviewing the "Amazon Appstore for Android Terms of Use" which is available at
                          http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/?docId=1000667601

                          They specifically mention: "(vii) You acknowledge and agree that Amazon has no responsibility or liability with respect to your use of the App or any content or functionality in the App."

                           Looking further in the same document shows several places where they use the term content. They mention that apps include content but they never actually say content includes apps.
                           
                          In the Kindle "terms of use" document it mentions: "Digital Content means digitized electronic content obtained through the Kindle Store, such as books, newspapers, magazines, journals, blogs, RSS feeds, games, and other static and interactive electronic content."  It doesn't specifically mention apps... although one could make the assumption that apps are included since they do mention "games".
                           
                          So basically the Amazon documents do not specifically say that the term content includes apps as your post maintains... at least not without making a few assumptions.

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                          But I guess none of that really matters if B&N has decided to include apps in their defition of "content".  However people do need to keep in mind that it is possible that what is defined as content for the device and what is defined as content for the website do not have to refer to exactly the same things.

                           

                          People also need to keep in mind that what might be said in a single news release doesn't actually mean the company has redefined any policy they might have.

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