15 Replies Latest reply on Oct 13, 2012 9:37 PM by BruceMcF

    should I be worried about my NookColor's near future??

      I am aware of the fact that the Nook Color is phasing out due to the new additions of the Nook tablet and Nook Tablet HD... But anyways I have had my nc since the premier day at the local BN store, I have enjoyed my nc with all the updates and the bugs and glitches basically all the goods and bads, its a buy i havent regretted. But now should I be worried that my nc will turn into a tablet sized dead weight? Will there still be continual mass or manual distributed firmware updatesas the nook line expands?? I think it would be a shame if they just dropped the dedicated NC lovers to the dust while the new nooks get all the prime and shine...
        • Re: should I be worried about my NookColor's near future??
          ....watch out Crissy.... You will have trolls talking down to you trying to make you look like a fool. And I also have that concern......
          • Re: should I be worried about my NookColor's near future??
            patgolfneb
            You won't loose any of your current functionality. It is likely that access to the video store etc will be supported, possibility the profiles. If there are functions not supported in NC version of android, they won't be migrating to the NC. Part of the justifications for new devices is added features. Bringing everything to older devices isn't practical or cost effective.
            • Re: should I be worried about my NookColor's near future??
              keriflur

              Crissyg wrote:
              I am aware of the fact that the Nook Color is phasing out due to the new additions of the Nook tablet and Nook Tablet HD... But anyways I have had my nc since the premier day at the local BN store, I have enjoyed my nc with all the updates and the bugs and glitches basically all the goods and bads, its a buy i havent regretted. But now should I be worried that my nc will turn into a tablet sized dead weight? Will there still be continual mass or manual distributed firmware updatesas the nook line expands?? I think it would be a shame if they just dropped the dedicated NC lovers to the dust while the new nooks get all the prime and shine...

              Your nook will continue to function as it does now.  No one from B&N is going to show up at your door and take it from you, and B&N isn't going to issue a kill program to make your device stop working.  Nothing is going to change, until your device dies or old age or other causes.

               

              There will likely be one more update to the NC, but maybe not.  Know that in the past, not all the updates have made things better, so if your nook is working as you'd like it to now, a future without updates is a GOOD thing.

               

              The NC is a two-year-old tech device, and this is par for the course.  I does not change your NC in any way, and it will only change the love you have for your NC if you decide to let it.

               

                • Re: should I be worried about my NookColor's near future??
                  bobstro

                  keriflur wrote:
                  [...] Your nook will continue to function as it does now.  No one from B&N is going to show up at your door and take it from you, and B&N isn't going to issue a kill program to make your device stop working.  Nothing is going to change, until your device dies or old age or other causes.

                  That's not entirely guaranteed. Yes, the device will still run as it does today for many years to come. That doesn't stop B&N or the publisher from deciding that your library needs to be upgraded to some "enhanced" format that can't be read on your device. I woke up to this rude awakening with a couple of magazine subscriptions (Discover, Popular Science) that I enjoyed reading on my NST. One day, they just wouldn't download, and even old backissues that I'd been reading could no longer be downloaded. This is on a still-current B&N device, mind you.

                   

                  With the massively expanded screen capabilities of the new devices, I can easily envision the format being "improved" past the NC device capabilities, or B&N's desire to support the NC. Of course, B&N could address those concerns with a statement committing to maintaining customer libraries in their current form indefinitely, but I don't see that happening. For someone on a fixed income or simply not wanting to buy a new device, this is a legitimate concern.

                   

                  You only pay for ebooks. You don't own them.

                    • Re: should I be worried about my NookColor's near future??
                      orb9220

                      "You only pay for ebooks. You don't own them."

                      But, if these Publishers & Distributor of e-books imply that we’re only renting them, then I’d expect the price to be reflected in that.And the Buy (Implies Ownership) button should be changed to Rent or Lease!

                       

                      They can squawk all they want when I put out the cash it's mine especially when I pay the same price as the DTB. I don't rely on the cloud or servers,etc.. I download the book if necessary strip the DRM and now can read on whatever device I chose.

                       

                      And if they really want to enforce that concept of renting or leasing and not owning. I can forego I guess ebooks all together and go back to DTB's.

                       

                      As the laws are quite clear on DTB's and copy you buy is Yours!

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                        • Re: should I be worried about my NookColor's near future??

                          orb9220 wrote:

                          As the laws are quite clear on DTB's and copy you buy is Yours!


                          Indeed, one of the explicit exceptions in the digital millennium copyright act is on cracking DRM is for abandoned DRMs and abandoned devices.

                           

                          B&N has already pushed out the latest format for fixed layout books to the NC, and it hasn't even been pushed out to their apps yet, so this is a concern for down the track rather than the immediate future ~ eg, if B&N adds support for ePub3.0 in another couple of years, and it turns out that the existing reader doesn't pick up on the backward compatibility layer that it should.

                           

                          And there's not much risk of publishers going back and making wholesale "upgrades" to formats of already published works, though as noted magazine subscriptions are buying access to magazines not yet published, so they can indeed change format in the middle of a subscription ... but so long as a copy of the ePub is downloaded and stored, the change in media won't affect the access to the existing file.

                        • Re: should I be worried about my NookColor's near future??
                          roustabout

                          Bob writes "You only pay for ebooks. You don't own them."

                           

                          I own mine until they pry my NAS from my cold, dead fingers. :smileyhappy:

                      • Re: should I be worried about my NookColor's near future??

                        As far as functionality:

                         

                        The NC is current with B&N ebook formats. They have been pushing fixed layout publishers toward the Nook magazine based layout, but the last upgrade of the NC pushed the ability to read those out to the Nook Color.

                         

                        Longstanding hoped for upgrades in terms of organizing pictures, music, bookshelves are not likely to get pushed out to the Nook Color, even if they are provided for the new line.

                         

                        Functionality that can be pushed out as an app, that's more likely. NOOK Video is the big question there, but since they'll be doing an Android app for NOOK Video, they can put a Nook app out for the Nook Color. It might be delayed ~ I think they are likely to push out the HD version of the Android app first ~ but I think its better than even odds that it'll show up. For one thing, it will help sell out their existing stock of Nook Colors.

                         

                        And 3rd party developers will each decide for themselves whether they want to submit apps that are compatible with the Nook Color. Some of them may have their Android tablet apps focused on Android 4.x, but even then they may have a smartphone version of their app that works for Android 2.2/2.3. And for developers, supporting Android 2.2 for the Nook Color is not such a big deal if they are also supporting Android 2.3 for the Nook Tablet version 1.

                         

                        • Re: should I be worried about my NookColor's near future??

                          I have the sinking feeling that once the new Nook comes out, support and updates for the NC will probably be nonexistant.  Already many of the really good apps are for the NT only.  Several of the NC problems have still not been fixed or dealt with.  And if the B&N video service ever comes into fruition (I'll believe it when I see it), I highly doubt it will be available for the NC.  Besides, considering how long it takes to download a book, I cringe to think how long it would take to download a movie!

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                              Irishelf wrote:

                              If the B&N video service ever comes into fruition (I'll believe it when I see it), I highly doubt it will be available for the NC.


                              Its not a sure thing, but its not entirely unlikely, either. The thing is, its not as if they would have to spend extra development time for the Nook Color. If they do an Android 2.2 app for devices that cannot support HD video, then all they'd need to do to make it a Nook Color NOOK Video app is to put it in the app store under "NOOK Video for the Nook Color", with the "Nook Color" entry in its compatibility database.

                               

                              It would likely have to stream at 360p (with a single core processor at that clock speed, 480p streaming video is as often a slideshow as actual motion picture), but playing 480p downloads should be no more trouble than playing H.264 with an iPod Touch video profile at 480p resolution.

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                                • Re: should I be worried about my NookColor's near future??

                                  Noooo!!!! :smileyfrustrated:   Bad Piggies is in the B&N app store ... and it's only available for tablets.

                                   

                                  So yes, our NCs will continue to function and 'do their thing', but as others have pointed out, there may be fewer apps from this point forward that will work with them.

                                    • Re: should I be worried about my NookColor's near future??

                                      Part of it is just the number of Android devices out there ... according to this techcrunch article, Gingerbread (2.3, under the hood of the Tablet v1) is still 57.5% of Android market share, while FroYo (2.2, under the hood of the Nook Color) is 14%.

                                      Cupcake, Donut and Eclair combined (1.5, 1.6 and 2.1) are 3.3%. So if your app is 2.2+, and probably Nook Color compatible, that's 96.7% of the market. If your app is 2.3+, and probably Nook Tablet v1 compatible, that's 83.7% of the market. If your app is 4.0+ (Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean), and only compatible with Nook HD/HD+, that's 22.1% of the market.

                                       

                                      As Frozen Yogurt fades to below 10% of the market over the year ahead, more and more apps will be 2.3+ and will not run on the Nook Color. Add on that a streaming app has to be well written to deliver 360p streaming on the Nook Color, and 480p or better is out of the picture, while the Tablet version 1 has enough horsepower to stream 720p and downscale to 600p, and indeed has the same video processor as the HD/HD+, just with different display parameters, so a streaming app that is targeting the gorgeous display of the HD/HD+ could well be a 2.2+ app and still be incompatible with the Nook Color.

                                       

                                      Apps that require tailoring to the Nook device hardware are especially likely to leave the Nook Color out, since the Nook Tablet version 1 is the same processor and co-processor as the HD/HD+, just lower clock speed and, for the 8G, less RAM. That will also lead to more Nook Tablet version 1 and up apps.

                                       

                                      However, FroYo is still over 10% of the total Android market, for lots of things developing for 2.2+ is not much more trouble than developing for 2.3+, and for a lot of things the details of the processor core and video co-processor just don't matter much, so Nook Color Nook apps are not going to suddenly stop arriving ~ over the coming year, it seems quite likely that the majority of new Nook apps will be compatible with the Nook Color.

                                       

                                      However, it probably makes sense for B&N to start putting little "NT" and "NT/NC" flashes on store display logos, to avoid confusion and disappointment.

                                       

                                  • Re: should I be worried about my NookColor's near future??

                                    Regarding This:

                                     

                                    ***** And 3rd party developers will each decide for themselves whether they want to submit apps that are compatible with the Nook Color. Some of them may have their Android tablet apps focused on Android 4.x, but even then they may have a smartphone version of their app that works for Android 2.2/2.3. And for developers, supporting Android 2.2 for the Nook Color is not such a big deal if they are also supporting Android 2.3 for the Nook Tablet version 1.

                                     

                                    *****

                                     

                                    Just wanted to point out the reasons developers want to support Nook Color and reasons that sometimes they can't.

                                     

                                    1) It makes a lot of sense to support Nook Color since you can sell to more people, your total sales and sales rankings are better, and you can expand your customer base more.

                                     

                                    It's money for (almost) nothing.

                                     

                                    2) In theory, supporting Nook Color which uses Android 2.2/2.3 is not very tough. In fact, it's quite easy.

                                     

                                    3) Because fewer developers will support Nook Color you can stand out more for Nook Color owners.

                                     

                                    *****

                                    Fundamentally, ALL developers WANT to make apps for Nook Color too.

                                     

                                    However, there are also some issues which prevent developers from doing this.

                                     

                                    1) To support nook Color you need to test on it.

                                     

                                    That means every single person on your team (or at least half the people) need a Nook Color bought for them.

                                     

                                    It also means testing increases by 25% to 30%.

                                     

                                    2) Nook Color has a different screen resolution from Nook HD and HD+. And a different pixel density.

                                    Thankfully, screen resolution is same as Nook Tablet so developers supporting Nook Tablet will probably support Nook Color.

                                     

                                    However, it's not zero effort. Easiest for developers would be to support HD and HD+ and forget Tablet and Color.

                                     

                                    3) Nook Color performance in some cases won't be enough.

                                     

                                    What I mean is that a lot of optimization is required to make an app that works on a faster tablet like Nook HD or Nook HD+ work on Nook Color.

                                     

                                    IN theory developers would be able to optimize. However, there are a very small number of very good developers. For most developers it's too much of a challenge.

                                     

                                    *****

                                     

                                    As far as general support for Nook Color.

                                    I don't think you can expect continuous ongoing support for digital devices. IT's just not financially possible. The way the model is set up, it's really really tough. Companies need to sell to lots of customers. For that they need newer and newer devices with more and more features. That in turn means that older devices now have only 2-3 years update cycles instead of 10-20 years.

                                     

                                    Which would you say are the really good apps that are available only for NC?