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      • 15. Re: eBook Settlement Credit

        keriflur wrote:

        FWIW, as the credit will be automatically applied to your account, you'd have to go out of your way to avoid using it. It might be easier to make a cash donation in the value of your credit to your favorite local charity, and then use the credit for the books you would have bought anyway.

         

        For library donations - check with your local library before you do anything. Many of them have weird policies such as not putting donated books into circulation. By checking with them first, you can make your donation have the most impact.


        This is what I was suggesting; make a $125 cash donation to the library for them to do with what they need, and then I will be able to sleep as I consume my $124 worth of reading.

        • 16. Re: eBook Settlement Credit

          keriflur wrote:

          Umm...no.  The charge that the DoJ brought against the publishers was collusion, not "illegal overpricing".

           

          The fact is that REP and the agency model are completely legal, and given that the settlement required that the publishers refrain from using REP for a period of two years, we may yet see it again soon.

           

          Also, the publishers that did NOT collude and chose to use the agency model and required ebook pricing were not, and are still not, being investigated for doing so.  Random House would still be setting prices for all their books if they hadn't decided to merge with Penguin.


          You are confusing a business model with an illegal activity designed to raise retail prices.  The publishers agreed to halt interfering with retailers in order to control retail prices.  The publishers are free to collude all they wish, if the collusion is nothing more than a plan to choose the menu at their next dinner meeting, for example.  It was the fact that prices were raised in a manner that violated US antitrust law that constituted the illegal activity.  Firms are not allowed to jointly decide to raise prices for their own enrichment, and to the economic detriment of consumers. 

           

           

          • 17. Re: eBook Settlement Credit

            deesy58 wrote:

            Whether you thought the books were overpriced or not is irrelevant.  The facts of the case show that the e-books clearly were overpriced, and were illegally overpriced at that.  Just because you believe that a price charged for an e-book is fair, does not mean that everybody else might agree with you. 

             

            If you wish to support a library, why wait for the breaking of a federal law to provide an impetus?  Just go ahead and donate to your library. 

            Or ... enjoy a good meal at a nice restaurant.  What would you have done with that money if some dishonest publishers and a dishonest retailer (Apple) hadn't stolen it from you? 


            I already support the library.  I don't know where you got the idea that I don't.  That I suggested a supplemental donation equivalent in value to a settlement credit to which I do not believe I am entitled?  How does that conclusion follow?  Or do you always assume the worst of every person you meet?

             

            Please don't put words in my mouth and please don't present your own opinion as fact.  I never suggested that everyone, or even anyone, agreed with me that the ebooks I bought were not overpriced.  I merely stated that if I had thought they were overpriced I would not have bought them.  I bought a Jetta instead of an A4 because I thought the A4 was overpriced.  I realize there are many who don't believe the A4 to be overpriced and some who may think my Jetta overpriced.

             

            And $124 doesn't get you a good meal at a nice restaurant.  It gets you a so-so meal at a mediocre restaurant who likes to tell you it's a nice one.  Good meal, nice restaurant is significantly more expensive than that.:smileysurprised::smileywink:

            • 18. Re: eBook Settlement Credit

              deesy58 wrote:

              You are confusing a business model with an illegal activity designed to raise retail prices.  The publishers agreed to halt interfering with retailers in order to control retail prices.  The publishers are free to collude all they wish, if the collusion is nothing more than a plan to choose the menu at their next dinner meeting, for example.  It was the fact that prices were raised in a manner that violated US antitrust law that constituted the illegal activity.  Firms are not allowed to jointly decide to raise prices for their own enrichment, and to the economic detriment of consumers. 

               

               


              You're wrong.

               

              Agency pricing (and the "illegal prices" you complain about) is completely legal. In a year and change the publishers will be able to once again force retailers into Agency contracts complete with MFN clauses if they so wish. It was explicitly stated in the court rulings that this was legal.

               

              The *only* thing that was illegal here was the collusion between the five seperate publishers to simultaneously force the new pricing scheme. So long as they each undertake the change seperately, there is absolutely no legal basis to stop them from re-instituting agency pricing. Before you go off on a wild tangent: Judge Cote stated this exact thing explicitly in her verdict. Agency pricing with MFN clauses are completely legal under US law, even if it means an increase in consumer prices.

               

              Pricing only mattered to the case in so far as it was the reason publishers were desperate to adopt Agency/MFN contracts. 

               

              tl;dr: Agency pricing: Legal. MFN: Legal. Colluding between compititors: Illegal.

              • 19. Re: eBook Settlement Credit

                TruCalling wrote:

                deesy58 wrote:

                Whether you thought the books were overpriced or not is irrelevant.  The facts of the case show that the e-books clearly were overpriced, and were illegally overpriced at that.  Just because you believe that a price charged for an e-book is fair, does not mean that everybody else might agree with you. 

                 

                If you wish to support a library, why wait for the breaking of a federal law to provide an impetus?  Just go ahead and donate to your library. 

                Or ... enjoy a good meal at a nice restaurant.  What would you have done with that money if some dishonest publishers and a dishonest retailer (Apple) hadn't stolen it from you? 


                I already support the library.  I don't know where you got the idea that I don't.  That I suggested a supplemental donation equivalent in value to a settlement credit to which I do not believe I am entitled?  How does that conclusion follow?  Or do you always assume the worst of every person you meet?

                 

                Please don't put words in my mouth and please don't present your own opinion as fact.  I never suggested that everyone, or even anyone, agreed with me that the ebooks I bought were not overpriced.  I merely stated that if I had thought they were overpriced I would not have bought them.  I bought a Jetta instead of an A4 because I thought the A4 was overpriced.  I realize there are many who don't believe the A4 to be overpriced and some who may think my Jetta overpriced.

                 

                And $124 doesn't get you a good meal at a nice restaurant.  It gets you a so-so meal at a mediocre restaurant who likes to tell you it's a nice one.  Good meal, nice restaurant is significantly more expensive than that.:smileysurprised::smileywink:


                You said you did not think the e-books were overpriced.  I simply pointed out that the facts are not in accordance with your opinions.  The facts, established by a federal court, show that e-books published from a group of publishers were illegally overpriced.

                 

                I never said that you didn't support the library.  Please do not try to put words into my mouth that I did not say.  I only point out that we shouldn't need a special reason to support our libraries, such as a settlement in a federal antitrust case.  If libraries depended on such rare occurrances for financial support, they would soon exhaust their resources, IMO. 

                 

                I don't normally think the worst of every person I meet, but you are certainly making it tempting ...

                 

                You clearly do not understand how the law works in America or you wouldn't accuse me of presenting my opinions as fact.  Fact is whatever a court of competent jurisdiction says it is.  Period.  The facts indicate that e-books were illegally overpriced.  Money was stolen from consumers by greedy businesses.  If you believe that is acceptable behavior in 21st Century America, I don't imagine that a lot of other consumers would agree with your position.  :smileymad:

                 

                If a federal court were to rule that A4s or Jettas were illegally overpriced, then that would be a fact that your personal opinion could do nothing to change.  You are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

                 

                Don't know where you live, but where I live, I can get a nice meal at a nice restaurant for $124 (including the tip).  :smileysurprised:

                • 20. Re: eBook Settlement Credit

                  flyingtoastr wrote:

                  deesy58 wrote:

                  You are confusing a business model with an illegal activity designed to raise retail prices.  The publishers agreed to halt interfering with retailers in order to control retail prices.  The publishers are free to collude all they wish, if the collusion is nothing more than a plan to choose the menu at their next dinner meeting, for example.  It was the fact that prices were raised in a manner that violated US antitrust law that constituted the illegal activity.  Firms are not allowed to jointly decide to raise prices for their own enrichment, and to the economic detriment of consumers. 

                   

                   


                  You're wrong.

                   

                  Agency pricing (and the "illegal prices" you complain about) is completely legal. In a year and change the publishers will be able to once again force retailers into Agency contracts complete with MFN clauses if they so wish. It was explicitly stated in the court rulings that this was legal.

                   

                  The *only* thing that was illegal here was the collusion between the five seperate publishers to simultaneously force the new pricing scheme. So long as they each undertake the change seperately, there is absolutely no legal basis to stop them from re-instituting agency pricing. Before you go off on a wild tangent: Judge Cote stated this exact thing explicitly in her verdict. Agency pricing with MFN clauses are completely legal under US law, even if it means an increase in consumer prices.

                   

                  Pricing only mattered to the case in so far as it was the reason publishers were desperate to adopt Agency/MFN contracts. 

                   

                  tl;dr: Agency pricing: Legal. MFN: Legal. Colluding between compititors: Illegal.


                  No.  It is YOU who is wrong.  For that year and change that you are referring to, the publishers are prohibited from preventing e-book retailers from discounting their titles.  That means that if they try, they will be held in contempt, and will be sanctioned by the court. 

                   

                  MFN clauses in wholesale contracts have always been legal, in all industries that I am aware of.  Price discrimination by suppliers has always been legal.  Why do you think this is somehow unique to the book publishing and selling industries?  It has never been legal, however, to enter into a conspiracy to violate US antitrust laws (The Sherman Antitrust Act) in order to cheat consumers, and that's just what Apple and the publishers did. 

                   

                  You continue to generalize from a specific.  The case in point is the specific case that was adjudicated in Judge Cote's court.  Tell me, toastr, if everything was legal and above-board, then why are so many e-book buyers receiving rebates right now?  If everything was perfectly legal, why has punishment been meted out?

                   

                  No legal basis for stopping them from doing it again??  How about the exact same law that they broke the first time?  If the publishers and Apple Computer reestablish the same pricing scheme that got them into this mess in the first place, I expect that they will see the same results: an antitrust action by the Department of Justice.

                   

                  I really do not understand at all why so many on this forum are so quick to defend criminal activity by corrupt businesses.  Do you really believe it is the American way?

                   

                  Sheesh!  :smileyfrustrated: 

                  • 21. Re: eBook Settlement Credit
                    I got 63.38 from BN and another 43.32 from AZ. Not bad. I wanted to get two hardcovers from bn.com but it keeps showing my credit card will be charged the full amount. I successfully bought a nook book and it came right off the eCredit. I thought it was good for physical and ebooks? Or is it just a issue with how BN.com displays the amount.
                    • 22. Re: eBook Settlement Credit

                      Isanox wrote:
                      I got 63.38 from BN and another 43.32 from AZ. Not bad. I wanted to get two hardcovers from bn.com but it keeps showing my credit card will be charged the full amount. I successfully bought a nook book and it came right off the eCredit. I thought it was good for physical and ebooks? Or is it just a issue with how BN.com displays the amount.

                      Gift cards on your account have never been automatically applied to physical purchases.  Since the credit is recorded on the account as a egift card I would suspect you use it the same was a any gift card. When you get to the payment option, to the right of your credit card info is a link that says "Apply a gift card". Click on that and enter the gift card number which is on the you recieved that told you your credit was available.

                      • 23. Re: eBook Settlement Credit
                        keriflur

                        TruCalling wrote:

                        keriflur wrote:

                        FWIW, as the credit will be automatically applied to your account, you'd have to go out of your way to avoid using it. It might be easier to make a cash donation in the value of your credit to your favorite local charity, and then use the credit for the books you would have bought anyway.

                         

                        For library donations - check with your local library before you do anything. Many of them have weird policies such as not putting donated books into circulation. By checking with them first, you can make your donation have the most impact.


                        This is what I was suggesting; make a $125 cash donation to the library for them to do with what they need, and then I will be able to sleep as I consume my $124 worth of reading.


                        I may do that too.  I'm fortunate to have such a wonderful library system in my hometown.  Thanks for the idea!

                        • 24. Re: eBook Settlement Credit

                          I received an email on 9/3/13 that had my settlement number and a reference to the AG site to request a check.

                           

                          I requested a check.

                           

                          I have not received anything since.  I have tried for the last 2 1/2 days to confirm my number and I get bascially an error message.  I sent two separate inquires to them and got one reply asking for my settlement id and email - DESPITE THE FACT THAT I ENTERED THAT INFORMATION INTO THE PRIOR REQUESTS BOTH TIMES.  I replied to that on Tuesday evening.

                           

                          HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING SINCE so am resorting to posting here hoping someone might be able to help.  Have you noticed there is no phone number to call - only automated email systems?

                           

                          Barnes and Noble, this is why I stopped my membership and don't shop in your stores anymore.  You've closed your best stores and your customer service is terrible.

                          • 25. Re: eBook Settlement Credit

                            It usually takes a bit more time to print and mail a check than to send an e-mail.

                             

                            Be patient.

                             

                            • 26. Re: eBook Settlement Credit

                              Problem is - they are not even confirming I'm getting anything.  Their automated system says there is no associated Settlement number.

                               

                              2 1/2 days is patience.

                              • 27. Re: eBook Settlement Credit
                                Ah. There is a second email stating that my credit was ready and here is the ID and PIN. It wasn't in the first one. Makes senses now. Order is complete Thanks
                                • 28. Re: eBook Settlement Credit
                                  byter67

                                  Congrats Isanox on those nice settlement amounts you received. If my understanding of the letter emailed to me from B&N is correct, the settlement monies can be used at B&N stores to purchase either print editions or digital editions (using the bar code in the letter), but on-line the money can only be used to purchase digital books.

                                   

                                  I received just $7.30 and all the books in which I have current interest are cheaper elsewhere, so the actual value to me is even less.

                                  • 29. Re: eBook Settlement Credit
                                    keriflur

                                    byter67 wrote:
                                     

                                    I received just $7.30 and all the books in which I have current interest are cheaper elsewhere, so the actual value to me is even less.


                                    You've got a whole year to use it, so you can take your time with it. B&N occasionally runs specials so you might be able to get a good deal down the line.

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