30 Replies Latest reply: Sep 4, 2012 10:48 AM by keriflur

    So about Google Nexus 7...

      http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/27/googles-nexus-7-tablet-outed-before-i-o/

       

      This might be my next device. What do you think?

        • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
          flyingtoastr

          No SD slot = ehhhh.

           

          For media consumption having expandable memory is a must for me.

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            I agree, without an SD Card it loses points. I am a photographer and not so much into games so that part of the "store" on any platform holds little interest for me. I like my NT. The thing is that Barnes and Noble are not maximizing this product. They are the only small tablet game in town that has an SD card. We need some better streaming, better yet how about a store we can buy and download videos... even just as rentals... or especially as rentals.

             

            I want more from B&N for my NT. It has so much potential and they just do not move to use it nor tout its form and function over the other 7" tablets. The screen is better than the Fire and the processing power is better as well.

             

            I am afraid that if B&N does not move now the NT platform is doomed to a slow death over the next two years. I bought my NT because I believed in B&N and wanted to support them. I do not wish to see my platform of choice disappear in the next year or two because B&N did nothing with it.

             

            Keep it interesting, keep it vital B&N! Don't let it sit and whither.

             

            Bill

            http://exposedolight.com

              • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                TnTexas

                billraab60: Keep it interesting, keep it vital B&N! Don't let it sit and whither.

                 

                To be honest, the only reason I bought the Color last summer was because it was the only 7" tablet-esque ereader on the market at the time (if there were any others, I didn't know about them). Since the few ebooks I had at that point were from Amazon, I wound up buying a dual boot sd card for the device so I could read them on it as well. Had the Kindle Fire been out at the time I would have probably bought it and been perfectly satisfied; but it wasn't. Others who would prefer a more general-purpose tablet are in the same position I'm in; they're also finding that they're beginning to have other choices.

                 

                Given those market changes, the problem I see at the moment is that B&N seems to see both the Color and the Tablet as more ereaders with extras than anything else - despite the Tablet's improved specs; and I can't help but wonder how large that particular market really is. I could be wrong, but I suspect that the majority in the 7" market are looking for a general-purpose tablet that they can read on and not just a souped up ereader - which is a huge difference in focus from B&N. A difference I fear may not bode well for the tablet-esque Nooks.  

                • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                  bobstro

                  billraab60 wrote:

                  I agree, without an SD Card it loses points. I am a photographer and not so much into games so that part of the "store" on any platform holds little interest for me. I like my NT.


                  Google seems to be shifting more towards "consumerfication" of devices. Mass storage support for uSD cards has disappeared in Android 4 ICS. My new Samsung has a 32 GB uSD slot, but they've changed "SD card support" so that internal storage shows as "SD" and the actual uSD card is now "extSD". This works, but it takes some getting used to and some apps fuss. Plugged in to a desktop computer, it can be viewed as a camera or media player, but not as storage. While today I demand removable uSD, it looks like device manufacturers aren't listening. Of course, with open market access, somebody will likely develop a work-around.


                  The thing is that Barnes and Noble are not maximizing this product. They are the only small tablet game in town that has an SD card.


                  Not sure what you mean there. There are other $250 7 inch tablets with uSD cards, though how they are handled by Android is changing.


                  [...] I want more from B&N for my NT. It has so much potential and they just do not move to use it nor tout its form and function over the other 7" tablets. The screen is better than the Fire and the processing power is better as well.


                  Agreed 100% that B&N failed to exploit the true potential of their NC and NT devices. I do think the window of opportunity is closing fast.


                  I am afraid that if B&N does not move now the NT platform is doomed to a slow death over the next two years. I bought my NT because I believed in B&N and wanted to support them. I do not wish to see my platform of choice disappear in the next year or two because B&N did nothing with it.


                  Along with innovation and software improvements and fixes, I wish B&N would change how they treat customers. The "fix" to remove the ability to sideload apps was clearly bungled, and it left a sour taste in my mouth. I've gone from a NOOK Color fanatic 18 months ago to feeling rather blase' about B&N's fate. I've tired of fighting with B&N over how to use my device, so my last purchase was a Samsung.

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                    The Google Nexus 7 seems to be what I thought the Nook Tablet was going to be when I upgraded to it from my original Nook Color on the first day it came out; a reader with enough productive capability to meet my light computing needs when I need to travel light. I'm semi-retired and do a lot of recreational travel as well as some consulting that requires travel so I travel a lot.

                     

                    Maybe I've missed the advantages, but the Nook Tablet does not seem to offer anything to the Nook Color except it is a bit quicker for what it does. I finally managed to get Dropbox installed on the Tablet. Getting Dropbox for it was an awful issue and I'm still not over my anger.

                     

                    With Dropbox or Google's own Cloud Drive much of the reason to have an external SD card slot is eliminated.

                     

                    I need the apps I use on my phone for productivity and management of my life. As it stands now with the Tablet, I have to do just about everything through a web browser. That has improved with the addition of the tabbed browers now available, but knowing what I have to do that could be more easily done with an app is maddening!

                     

                    I think B&N's refusal to open up the Tablet is going to prove disasterous for them if it hasn't already. Maybe Microsoft has something in mind to rescue B&N, but it may be too late. I've ordered a Nexus 7 and with the experience I have already enjoyed with my large screen Mororola Droid Maxx I'm looking forward to getting the same apps I use with it. Apps that B&N denies me on the Table.

                     

                    Could it be that they are willing to drop customers like me for customers who are only interested in reading, Netflix, and light email? If so they have a winner because that is about all the Tablet will do! I'm going to hate it if B&N goes belly up like Borders. My SO and I probably don't have much of a life, but we regularly go to dinner and then stop at local Barnes & Noble Bookstore to browse. I suspect there are many otherwise loyal customers who are as dismayed as I am about the Nook Tablet.

                  • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                    Shome

                    The Nexus 7 has everything that I have been wanting.  I went ahead and purchased one in advance.

                     

                    This tablet has the form factor, the industrial design, the attention to software quality, the processor, screen resolution and features to make it my tablet of choice.

                     

                    I love my nook color/tablet and will continue to use it but the nexus 7 is just too good to pass up.

                     

                     

                    • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                      patgolfneb
                      I find it interesting that only a front camera was included? While the specs are good it seems as though we are already reaching the point where niches are going to develop. For example how good are the speakers? Are upgraded graphics chips available? PC vs ultra book vs 10 inch vs 7 inch. E books and simple games are still the uses that highly portable 7 inchers excell at that phones or bigger devices don't do as well. The sd card wasn't included by Google or Amazon because they want you to choose cloud support for your media. Perhaps with bluetooth and sd slot and better speakers BN can use their Microsoft connection for a better game or music device. Improving reader app is still job one but screen and cpu specs are good enough that they are more of an advertising point than real world performance difference for average consumers. When battery life reaches 14 hours it becomes less important as well.
                        • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                          Mark_OB1

                          patgolfneb wrote:
                          I find it interesting that only a front camera was included?
                          Yes, they dropped off the rear cam that Asus had originally planned on their Memo370T version of this tablet.
                          While the specs are good it seems as though we are already reaching the point where niches are going to develop.
                          It's certainly true that a B&N device could remain competitive, based on software, the user experience, and overall functionality, without outgunning the rest on raw horsepower, or # of CPU cores.
                          E books and simple games are still the uses that highly portable 7 inchers excell at that phones or bigger devices don't do as well.
                          Agreed.  But the 7" space, which B&N had to themselves initially (and failed to capitalize on as much as they could/should have, IMO), is now heating up.  B&N needs to respond, and I'd hate for that response to be nothing more than dropping the price points on current NTs to $179 and $229 (which is a possible tactic).
                          Perhaps with bluetooth and sd slot and better speakers BN can use their Microsoft connection for a better game or music device.
                          Even the oft-maligned rear cam is an area that could help.  Not only is it useful for quick snaps on the go with your tablet, but it can be used to scan barcodes to look things up, or for social (as I saw one complaint about the Nexus7, "there goes Instagram").  B&N could still play up social aspects more.
                          Improving reader app is still job one
                          This seems obvious to me as well, but I have to wonder if B&N is aware of it?  I agree that if B&N provided a unique, unexcelled reading experience, unavailable anywhere else, that in itself would be a huge competitive factor.  The (glaring) problem is, they haven't even got the features they have offered working, after 2 years!
                          but screen and cpu specs are good enough that they are more of an advertising point than real world performance difference for average consumers. When battery life reaches 14 hours it becomes less important as well.
                          I definitely agree with you that in many areas, once you achieve "good enough", then anything beyond that is icing on the cake, and largely PR.  However I can tell you for sure that the higher 1280x800 rez of the new 7" screens is a real win for reading some types of content. 
                          E.g., all my PDFs look way better, and far more readable than on a device with only 600-pixels wide in portrait.  Same with maps, magazines, and the web.  There are other examples as well, but it doesn't apply to all types of content.  I've generally found 1024x600 adequate, for most uses.  The question will be if minimally adequate is still "good enough".
                          - Mark

                           

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                          I agree with everyone for the most part.  I am really wanting one of these Nexus 7 tablets.  It is what I wish the NT was for the most part.  I don't need the camera but it would be great for video calls.  

                           

                          I don't need the SD card myself.  I put a 32GB card in there for extra storage and Evernote requires one.  Otherwise I would be fine with Google Drive, Dropbox and Box.net.  I believe that the only hope B&N has is going this New Co route with Microsoft, whatever that involves.  The main issue with that is going to be that it is too late.  I really don't see them adding anything new and innovative by the time they get around to it.  They may want to save the "surprise" but the only surprise is going to be theirs when the market asks why we need whatever it is B&N is giving us.  With the Nexus 7, MS Surface, the iPad, and Kindle Fire "2.0" we won't need or want anything that B&N gives us.  

                           

                          The only possibility I can see is a Windows 8 tablet which would be a way of admitting that they messed up with the NT.

                           

                          I wanted B&N to succeed.  I really did; that is why I bought the NT.  I just don't want to fool with the rooting as inevitably I find small issues like "Your device is not compatible" that keep me from enjoying it ( I tried rooting for a while, back to stock now).  I shouldn't have to root the device or jump through hoops to use the apps that will work just fine on the NT.

                            • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                              Mark_OB1

                              fkm71 wrote:

                               

                              I am really wanting one of these Nexus 7 tablets.  It is what I wish the NT was for the most part.  

                               

                              Which is what B&N needs to recognize, and offer competition for.

                               

                              I don't need the camera but it would be great for video calls.  

                               

                              Exactly.  As time goes on, people's expectations for what a "tablet" does are increasing.  The bar is rising.

                               

                              I believe that the only hope B&N has is going this New Co route with Microsoft, whatever that involves.  

                               

                              I don't see much coming out of their relationship with MS (other than the $600M, which is being used very effectively for advertising, and raising awareness of the Nook ecosystem).

                               

                              The main issue with that is going to be that it is too late.  I really don't see them adding anything new and innovative by the time they get around to it.  They may want to save the "surprise" but the only surprise is going to be theirs when the market asks why we need whatever it is B&N is giving us.  

                               

                              This seems strange.  You do realize that B&N has been working on whatever is "next", for the last 9 months since the NT was released, and has 3 months left to complete it?  You (nor I) have no clue what innovative things they may have come up with.  Just one week ago, Google had NO device that was competitive against either NT.

                               

                              With the Nexus 7, MS Surface, the iPad, and Kindle Fire "2.0" we won't need or want anything that B&N gives us.  

                               

                              Given how unimpressed I was with the KF1, I'm not anticipating anything revolutionary for the KF2.  But I could be wrong. 

                               

                              As for the rest of your commentary, it's way off base.  The NT2, KF2, and Nexus7 are not in competition with the iPad or either of the Surface tablets.  Not only because you're talking $200-ish devices vs. $500-ish.  But the 7" vs. 10" puts them in a completely different category, with different use cases, as well.  Those are not what B&N needs to be concerned about.

                               

                              The only possibility I can see is a Windows 8 tablet which would be a way of admitting that they messed up with the NT.

                               

                              ???  I can't see any chance of that happening.  They'd kill their entire fledgling App ecosystem in one motion, since none of their apps will run on Win8 RT.

                               

                              I just don't want to fool with the rooting as inevitably I find small issues like "Your device is not compatible" that keep me from enjoying it ( I tried rooting for a while, back to stock now).  I shouldn't have to root the device or jump through hoops to use the apps that will work just fine on the NT.

                               

                              The problem there is that the number of folks who leave the platform because they want the benefits of rooting, but don't feel like doing so, is fairly small.  If the B&N perception is that the offerings in their Nook App Store are adequate for the vast majority of their customers (currently at ~5,000 apps, and growing at about 100/week), then the 'walled garden' will remain in place.

                               

                              The rules at Google have changed regarding requirements for devices to offer access to the Android App market, so B&N could theoretically decide to offer a portal there (possibly with a warning about the lower-quality content there not being up to B&N standards). 

                               

                              However, Google Play now also offers books, music, etc.  So it's a another sales ecosystem, competing for customer dollars.  I can't see B&N allowing that, any more than making it easy for NT owners to shop at Amazon.  So IF what someone really needs is access to that, and is unwilling to expend the effort of rooting, then the Nexus7 makes way more sense for them than even an improved NT2 coming out this fall.

                               

                              - Mark


                               

                            • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                              TnTexas

                              An interesting article comparing the Fire and the Nexus 7:   http://www.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-or-amazon-kindle-fire

                               

                              Which do they recommend? The Nexus. It wasn't mentioned; but given what they based their decision on, I'm assuming they'd recommend the Nexus over the Tablet and Color as well.

                                • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                  TnTexas

                                  And in case anyone's interested, here's an article that throws the Samsung 7 (aka as Galaxy Tab 2) and the Tablet into the mix:

                                  http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/nexus-7-vs-kindle-fire-vs-nook-tablet-200-tablet-showdown/

                                    • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                      It definitely seems great, but my nook tablet is good enough for now. I'll probably wait a while to upgrade to another tablet.
                                      • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                        Mark_OB1

                                        TnTexas wrote:
                                        And in case anyone's interested, here's an article that throws the Samsung 7 (aka as Galaxy Tab 2) and the Tablet into the mix:

                                        http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/nexus-7-vs-kindle-fire-vs-nook-tablet-200-tablet-showdown/


                                        Um... no it doesn't  :smileyhappy:  It's N7 vs. KF1 vs. NT.

                                         

                                        The thing is that while it's easy enough to make charts and compare specs, specs don't tell the whole story.  E.g., the N7 has a quad-core Tegra3 processor, which in real-world use may not be any faster than a dual-core OMAP processor.  But it sounds 'better'.

                                         

                                        Also, it's misleading to say that the N7 and KF can be charged from a computer, but the NT can't.  It can (assuming it's like my 3 NC's), because I've done so dozens of times.  It just charges slower that way.  I don't know what the charge time is for the KF and N7 (which are limited to the 500 mA they can draw through USB), but I do know that the Nooks have a high-current charge mode, which lets them charge much more quickly than they would otherwise.  So instead of this looking like a negative for the NT, it should be billed as an advantage!

                                         

                                        Likewise, it shows 3 different marketplaces for the 3 tablets: GooglePlay, Amazon, and B&N store.  Which is misleading, because while the KF and NT are locked into their single ecosystem, the N7 has access to all 3!

                                         

                                        I do find the screen rez, lighter weight, Bluetooth, camera, and open-access to be compelling advantages for the new N7.

                                         

                                        - Mark

                                         

                                    • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...

                                      http://www.anandtech.com/show/6061/mhl-and-usbotg-on-the-nexus-7-mounting-usb-storage-not-supported

                                       

                                      Just another tidbit about the Nexus 7.

                                      USBOTG would have been a nice way to side-step the whole issue of not having an SD card reader. I'm still thinking of getting one, to be honest.

                                        • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                          Undo

                                          I ordered my Nexus 7 yesterday. I have enjoyed my Nook Color but get frustrated by its restricted OS and no access to the Android app market. B&N: open up your OS and maybe I'll buy your hardware again someday.

                                           

                                          Tried it rooted but it's not the same as a real open tablet.

                                           

                                          I will miss being able to read my Time subscription on the new Nexus because so far, the magazine won't work in the Nook App without running on an actual Nook.

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                                          I just bit the bullet and rooted my Nook Tablet last Friday and am now happily taking advantage of all available Android options for my tablet. I would have preferred to be loyal to Barnes and Noble and not rooted the unit but I have waited long enough. Now I can comfortably call it a tablet.

                                           

                                          Don't fence me in... which is why I didn't not buy an iPad in the first place.

                                            • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                              bobstro

                                              billraab60 wrote:

                                              I just bit the bullet and rooted my Nook Tablet last Friday and am now happily taking advantage of all available Android options for my tablet. I would have preferred to be loyal to Barnes and Noble and not rooted the unit but I have waited long enough. Now I can comfortably call it a tablet.

                                               

                                              Don't fence me in... which is why I didn't not buy an iPad in the first place.


                                              I'd love to know how rooting my devices is disloyal to B&N. I've bought 3 NC, 1 NT and 2 NST, not to mention 4 ongoing magazine subscriptions and numerous books in recent months. B&N seems more than happy to take our cash. How can anyone figure we're anything but their best customers?

                                                • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                                  flyingtoastr

                                                  bobstro wrote:

                                                  I'd love to know how rooting my devices is disloyal to B&N. I've bought 3 NC, 1 NT and 2 NST, not to mention 4 ongoing magazine subscriptions and numerous books in recent months. B&N seems more than happy to take our cash. How can anyone figure we're anything but their best customers?



                                                  The best customers don't continually make comments that their device doesn't do something it was never intended (or advertised) to do? Maybe.

                                                    • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                                      Undo

                                                      flyingtoastr wrote:

                                                      The best customers don't continually make comments that their device doesn't do something it was never intended (or advertised) to do? Maybe.


                                                      Good point. I bought into the Nook ecosystem with my Simpletouch and Nook Color. But that was before I really knew about the wider world.

                                                        • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                                          DeanGibson

                                                          Undo wrote:
                                                          ... I bought into the Nook ecosystem with my Simpletouch and Nook Color. But that was before I really knew about the wider world.

                                                          I wonder if a significant block of Nook buyers (color/tablet) aren't going to be transitional for B&N:  Buy a Nook, buy some books, get used to tablet-like features, want more, move on.

                                                            • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                                              flyingtoastr

                                                              DeanGibson wrote:

                                                              I wonder if a significant block of Nook buyers (color/tablet) aren't going to be transitional for B&N:  Buy a Nook, buy some books, get used to tablet-like features, want more, move on.



                                                              Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Users like that will be familiar with NOOK, and probably have a vested interest (i.e. content purchased via BN) in installing and continuing to use the NOOK app on their new device. In addition, they would probably still be likely to be interested in BN's eInk models to augment their shiny new tablet, given that no major tablet vendor produces ereaders.

                                                               

                                                              Granted, there are some major problems that are IAMCA. But there are worse business models.

                                                              • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                                                TnTexas

                                                                DeanGibson: I wonder if a significant block of Nook buyers (color/tablet) aren't going to be transitional for B&N:  Buy a Nook, buy some books, get used to tablet-like features, want more, move on.

                                                                 

                                                                Either this or hear the name Tablet and because ts name assume the device can do things it can't do, buy it and then be disappointed.

                                                                  • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...

                                                                    The best thing I see about this device is it is a Nexus device.  Which means it will get OS updates it is qualified for as soon as Google releases them.  Yes, BN isn't the only OEM that doesn't do updates right.  Most Samsung owners are still waiting for ICS when JB is the current OS.

                                                              • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                                                bobstro

                                                                flyingtoastr wrote:

                                                                The best customers don't continually make comments that their device doesn't do something it was never intended (or advertised) to do? Maybe.


                                                                I've never complained that the NOOKs don't do things it was advertised to do, but I don't feel bad about voicing my opinions about B&N's strategy. Given the trends here in the boards lately, I'm not the only one with similar feelings. Would B&N prefer that customers just silently leave without expressing why?

                                                                 

                                                                Meanwhile, I've spent plenty of money at B&N. They seem happy enough to take my money.

                                                                  • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                                                    flyingtoastr

                                                                    bobstro wrote:

                                                                    I've never complained that the NOOKs don't do things it was advertised to do, but I don't feel bad about voicing my opinions about B&N's strategy. Given the trends here in the boards lately, I'm not the only one with similar feelings. Would B&N prefer that customers just silently leave without expressing why?

                                                                     

                                                                    Meanwhile, I've spent plenty of money at B&N. They seem happy enough to take my money.



                                                                    Oh not talking about you specifically, just the general rooting community we get on these boards ("my NOOK doesn't go to the Google Play Store and it's NOT A REAL TABLET WAAAA!!!!"). It has been made abundantly clear that Google Play access is not going to be part of the NOOK experience, and no salesman is going to dupe you into buying it by saying it is. Hence why I don't consider rooters "good" customers.

                                                                     

                                                                    I'm not commenting on the validity of BN's position at all.

                                                            • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                                              Shome

                                                              I opened my nexus 7 last night.  I installed the B&N nook reader app and my entire book library was there. 

                                                               

                                                              This is a very impressive tablet that works well.

                                                               

                                                              • Re: So about Google Nexus 7...
                                                                LarryOnLI

                                                                I'm married to "Julie".....

                                                                 

                                                                She refuses to get a smart phone, her old phone was so obsolete that AT&T sent her a letter that it would soon no longer work on their network and she needed a new phone. She wanted (and got) another dumb phone, despite my offer to get her an iPhone 4S.

                                                                 

                                                                I got her an iPad, she still uses her NOOK 1E for reading. She doesn't even buy her own books on the device. She tells me what I want and I buy it for her.

                                                                 

                                                                Every time I want to show her some neat new thing my phone/tablet/computer etc can do, she yawns.

                                                                 

                                                                She is NOT an airhead, ditz, or whatever some people here characterize a "Julie". She is a accomplished, intelligent, professional woman, who is totally unimpressed with technology. She just wants to do what what she wants to do.

                                                                 

                                                                She would never post on a blog or message board, so you will never see her here.

                                                                 

                                                                The "Julie" segment is much larger than you are aware of. I know many "Julies" and they are the majority, not us.