26 Replies Latest reply on Apr 12, 2010 1:49 PM by Binx88

    eBook Pricing

      What is up with the eBook pricing?  Books available as mass market paperbacks are selling for $9.99.  I would willing pay the paperback price, I see no reason to pay more than that.

       

      Also,  why are so many public work (out of copyright) books not free from bn.com  I thought the relationship with Google would provide these books with no charge.

      Alice in Wonderland is a prime example.  It is clearly non-copyrighted due to its age.  Many versions are available on Project Gutenberg ( www.gutenberg.org ), yet bn.com wants up to $9.99 for a copy?

       

      Thanks.

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          FrogAlum

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            sub_rosa

            Irrational book pricing?  I hadn't noticed...  :womanmad:

             

            My best advice is this:  Wait.  The price of any given book is likely to rise or fall with no rhyme or reason.  Some people blame the publishers - and they are certainly interfering with the functioning of the free market.  But I think some of it can be blamed on ...  how do I say this nicely? ...  organizational dysfunction at B&N.  I doubt most publishers are monitoring how much their eBooks are being sold for at B&N. 

             

            If you don't like the price here, go check out Kobo, Sony, Fictionwise, eReader, and other online eBook retailers.  It's catch-as-catch-can out there - sometimes Kobo is cheaper, sometimes they're not - same for Sony.  But their eBooks transfer to the Nook easily and format nicely.  Be a smart shopper.

             

             

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                Thanks,

                i'll check it out.

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                    FrogAlum

                    @NookwormNY

                     

                    Register both nooks on the same account then you can share all your books with no problem.  Sideload any books on the other account and then just use the one account for all BN books.

                     

                    My understanding is whether or not something is lendable is determined by the publisher not BN.

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                        Doug_Pardee
                        FrogAlum wrote:

                        Register both nooks on the same account then you can share all your books with no problem.

                        The problem with that approach is that then you must share all of your e-books. When one person buys an e-book, it downloads to all nooks registered on the account. When one person archives an e-book, it gets removed from all nooks registered on the account.

                         

                        If you have very similar tastes in books, that might be workable. My wife and I tried it for about one day before I got myself my own B&N account. :smileywink:

                         

                        Plus, supposedly promised for Real Soon Now, is automatic syncing of the current position in the book. And some other stuff, I think. I dunno, I can't keep up with the promises. But anyway, I think it'd probably suck to have your e-book open to where your spouse left off.

                         

                        In retrospect, I shouldn't have gotten my own Adobe account, though.

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                          keriflur

                          FrogAlum - My previous post was not clear on this, but I was told that B&N was working on a way to transfer an ebook from one account to another, permanently.  I *think* that they were working with the publishers on this, but I can't remember if the CSR said that exactly or not.  In any case, this would allow us to give away books, or sell them (though the financial transaction would have to take place on the side), or to loan them longer term (recipient of the loan would have to transfer back, just like in the real world).  The CSR I spoke to did not have a timeline or any specific info.

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                            Thanks for the info. I'm not sure I want all my wife's chick-lit any more than she wants my who-dunnits :smileyvery-happy: There are a few books that we do like to share, but most are not each other's cup'o'tea. I may wait and see (pray) if b&n wises up and allows transfers of books between Nooks - yeah, right! Hope springs eternal.

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                                FrogAlum

                                 

                                NookwormNY wrote:

                                Thanks for the info. I'm not sure I want all my wife's chick-lit any more than she wants my who-dunnits :smileyvery-happy: There are a few books that we do like to share, but most are not each other's cup'o'tea. I may wait and see (pray) if b&n wises up and allows transfers of books between Nooks - yeah, right! Hope springs eternal.

                                 

                                Just sideload them on the nooks then, it makes it easy that most of your tastes are different, then you each have the books you want when you want them.  No problem doing this at all.

                                 

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                                  NookwormNY wrote:

                                  Thanks for the info. I'm not sure I want all my wife's chick-lit any more than she wants my who-dunnits :smileyvery-happy: There are a few books that we do like to share, but most are not each other's cup'o'tea. I may wait and see (pray) if b&n wises up and allows transfers of books between Nooks - yeah, right! Hope springs eternal.

                                   

                                   

                                  You know, even if the books are sitting on your nook, no one's going to force you to read them.

                                   

                                  :smileyhappy:

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                                    Doug_Pardee
                                    NookwormNY wrote:

                                    I may wait and see (pray) if b&n wises up and allows transfers of books between Nooks - yeah, right! Hope springs eternal.

                                    They do. Not through B&N, but all you need to do is to copy the e-book from one nook onto a computer, then from the computer onto another nook (into My Documents).

                                     

                                    Go back and re-read my instructions on how to share e-books.

                                     

                                    Neither of the e-book DRM systems supported by nook—eReader DRM or Adobe DRM—prevents copying within a family unit. They basically protect against widespread distribution to strangers.

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                              LarryOnLI

                              A lot of public domain books are available from multiple sources.

                               

                              You can get "Alice in Wonderland" for free from Google. THis is a book that has been scanned, converted to a text file via OCR software, and then converted to an EPub file. I've downloaded two of the free Google books and all I can say is you get what you pay for. THey were full of OCR and formatting errors.

                               

                              I've been told that the free eBooks from Project Gutenberg are much better quality since they have volunteers proof read them.

                               

                              The version of "Alice in Wonderland" you are referring to from B&N, is one of the B&N classics that they have reprinted and converted to an eBook. This is a professionally copy edited version that should be free of the very annoying errors you see in the free versions.

                               

                              If you search for the book on B&N and sort by price you will see the free versions, low cost versions which are published by the less than scrupulous and are just scans or copies of someone else's free version, and better quality versions from more reputable publishers.

                               

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                                Ipkh wrote:

                                What is up with the eBook pricing?

                                 

                                 

                                Wow!  What an original idea!

                                 

                                So, is anybody interested in discussing ebook pricing?

                                 

                                :smileyvery-happy:

                                • Price Hike of e-books for nook

                                  i have been away from my nook for a little over a week. Imagine my shock when i went shopping and found that books previously selling for $9.99 were now $10.99, $11.99 and $12.99. i started looking further and saw some books higher than that. When i first got my nook almost all the current titles were $9.99 or less! i think this is outrageous! Now i have this $259 nook, but many e-book prices are going up daily. It all looked so great at the start of this year and last year, but it ain't looking so great now! What a loss leader.

                                   

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                                      icebike

                                       

                                      jimallday wrote:

                                       Now i have this $259 nook, but many e-book prices are going up daily. It all looked so great at the start of this year and last year, but it ain't looking so great now! What a loss leader.

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                      In some cases the ebook costs more than the paperback.

                                      An example: Worst Case (Michael Bennett Series #3) 

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                      But you can just stop buying from B&N till this gets fixed.  There are many other ebook sources for the nook.  It could be worse.  You might have bought a kindle which would not allow loading from other sources.  

                                       

                                      There are thousands of free books to read.  

                                       

                                      Given that every female author has taken to writing nothing but vampire stories of late you won't be missing much by avoiding the new releases and best sellers for a while.

                                        • Re: Price Hike of e-books for nook
                                          keriflur

                                          Not buying from B&N won't fix the problem - it's not B&N's fault.  It is the fault of the 5 publishers on the agency model - they are setting the prices and there's nothing that B&N or any of the other retailers can do about it.  All the retailers have to charge the new "required price", so shopping around at other retailers won't help you find a lower price.

                                           

                                          Regarding the prices for paperbacks being lower - this is because B&N still have control of pricing for physical books, and they're still keeping those prices low.  The only way that they can make the ebooks cheaper than the paperbacks is to raise the price of the paperbacks, and none of us want to see that.

                                           

                                          If you'd like more info you can do a search on the boards for agency model or required pricing, or read just about any of the other threads that are going right now.

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                                        mockturtleCG

                                        It looks like eBooks are now more expensive than first run hard cover books.  I was looking for "A Captain's Duty" by Richard Phillips.  This book just came out.  The hard cover edition is available on the B&N site for $15.20, but the eBook edition is $25.99.  I can understand the reasoning behind making the eBooks as expensive as the hard covers during the first few weeks of a new release, but more expensive by 30 or 40 percent?  This is crazy!

                                         

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                                            LarryOnLI

                                             

                                            mockturtleCG wrote:

                                            It looks like eBooks are now more expensive than first run hard cover books.  I was looking for "A Captain's Duty" by Richard Phillips.  This book just came out.  The hard cover edition is available on the B&N site for $15.20, but the eBook edition is $25.99.  I can understand the reasoning behind making the eBooks as expensive as the hard covers during the first few weeks of a new release, but more expensive by 30 or 40 percent?  This is crazy!

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                            The answer it simple.

                                             

                                            Both books have a list price of $25.99.

                                             

                                            B&N is allowed to discount the hardcover but is contractually bound to sell the eBook for list price.

                                             

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                                                mockturtleCG

                                                 

                                                LarryOnLI wrote:

                                                 

                                                mockturtleCG wrote:

                                                It looks like eBooks are now more expensive than first run hard cover books.  I was looking for "A Captain's Duty" by Richard Phillips.  This book just came out.  The hard cover edition is available on the B&N site for $15.20, but the eBook edition is $25.99.  I can understand the reasoning behind making the eBooks as expensive as the hard covers during the first few weeks of a new release, but more expensive by 30 or 40 percent?  This is crazy!

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                The answer it simple.

                                                 

                                                Both books have a list price of $25.99.

                                                 

                                                B&N is allowed to discount the hardcover but is contractually bound to sell the eBook for list price.

                                                 

                                                 

                                                Understood.  However, the result is that the actual price for the hard cover is less than for the EBook.  That makes no sense.  If B&N wants to be in the EBook business, then they need to fix their pricing system, renegotiating contracts as necessary.

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

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                                                    Nallia

                                                     

                                                    mockturtleCG wrote:

                                                     

                                                    LarryOnLI wrote:

                                                     

                                                    mockturtleCG wrote:

                                                    It looks like eBooks are now more expensive than first run hard cover books.  I was looking for "A Captain's Duty" by Richard Phillips.  This book just came out.  The hard cover edition is available on the B&N site for $15.20, but the eBook edition is $25.99.  I can understand the reasoning behind making the eBooks as expensive as the hard covers during the first few weeks of a new release, but more expensive by 30 or 40 percent?  This is crazy!

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    The answer it simple.

                                                     

                                                    Both books have a list price of $25.99.

                                                     

                                                    B&N is allowed to discount the hardcover but is contractually bound to sell the eBook for list price.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    Understood.  However, the result is that the actual price for the hard cover is less than for the EBook.  That makes no sense.  If B&N wants to be in the EBook business, then they need to fix their pricing system, renegotiating contracts as necessary.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    With the agency model in effect for ebooks for 5 of the largest publishing companies, B&N has no say in what the price for the ebook will be.  Their only option is to sell the ebooks at the prices the publisher has set or not sell them at all.  There is no agency pricing on paper books, so B&N can still discount them and charge what they want.  COntract negotiations will do nothing as long as these publishers insist on selling their ebooks through the agency model.

                                                     

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                                                        mockturtleCG

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        Nallia wrote:

                                                         

                                                        mockturtleCG wrote:

                                                         

                                                        LarryOnLI wrote:

                                                         

                                                        mockturtleCG wrote:

                                                        It looks like eBooks are now more expensive than first run hard cover books.  I was looking for "A Captain's Duty" by Richard Phillips.  This book just came out.  The hard cover edition is available on the B&N site for $15.20, but the eBook edition is $25.99.  I can understand the reasoning behind making the eBooks as expensive as the hard covers during the first few weeks of a new release, but more expensive by 30 or 40 percent?  This is crazy!

                                                         

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        The answer it simple.

                                                         

                                                        Both books have a list price of $25.99.

                                                         

                                                        B&N is allowed to discount the hardcover but is contractually bound to sell the eBook for list price.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        Understood.  However, the result is that the actual price for the hard cover is less than for the EBook.  That makes no sense.  If B&N wants to be in the EBook business, then they need to fix their pricing system, renegotiating contracts as necessary.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                         

                                                         

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        With the agency model in effect for ebooks for 5 of the largest publishing companies, B&N has no say in what the price for the ebook will be.  Their only option is to sell the ebooks at the prices the publisher has set or not sell them at all.  There is no agency pricing on paper books, so B&N can still discount them and charge what they want.  COntract negotiations will do nothing as long as these publishers insist on selling their ebooks through the agency model.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        Apparently they heard me.  The price is now $9.99.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                         

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                                                          Nallia wrote:

                                                           

                                                          mockturtleCG wrote:

                                                           

                                                          LarryOnLI wrote:

                                                           

                                                          mockturtleCG wrote:

                                                          It looks like eBooks are now more expensive than first run hard cover books.  I was looking for "A Captain's Duty" by Richard Phillips.  This book just came out.  The hard cover edition is available on the B&N site for $15.20, but the eBook edition is $25.99.  I can understand the reasoning behind making the eBooks as expensive as the hard covers during the first few weeks of a new release, but more expensive by 30 or 40 percent?  This is crazy!

                                                           

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          The answer it simple.

                                                           

                                                          Both books have a list price of $25.99.

                                                           

                                                          B&N is allowed to discount the hardcover but is contractually bound to sell the eBook for list price.

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          Understood.  However, the result is that the actual price for the hard cover is less than for the EBook.  That makes no sense.  If B&N wants to be in the EBook business, then they need to fix their pricing system, renegotiating contracts as necessary.

                                                           

                                                           

                                                           

                                                           

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          With the agency model in effect for ebooks for 5 of the largest publishing companies, B&N has no say in what the price for the ebook will be.  Their only option is to sell the ebooks at the prices the publisher has set or not sell them at all.  There is no agency pricing on paper books, so B&N can still discount them and charge what they want.  COntract negotiations will do nothing as long as these publishers insist on selling their ebooks through the agency model.

                                                           

                                                           

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          Taken in part from:

                                                          http://hothardware.com/News/Amazon-Agrees-To-Higher-Prices-For-eBooks/

                                                           

                                                          B&N have betrayed their clients, for pure and simple greed. There is no reason or rationale to charge $13.00 for an $8.00 or $9.00 paperback. From a business point of view I can't see that many Nook or Kindle users willing to pay such high prices, and I own both devices. The publishers would not be able to get away with it if the retailers stood their ground- B&N certainly did not have the guts to do this.

                                                           

                                                          'When the iPad was unveiled, chief executive Steve Jobs announced deals with five major publishers. He also announced an agreement that allowed publishers to set higher prices while giving Apple a 30% cut. Prior to this agreement, Amazon had been selling digital versions of hardcover new releases and bestsellers for $9.99 with the goal of driving sales of its Kindle . At the time, publishers were opposed to the low price but were not in a position to argue since Amazon was the main player in the market.'

                                                           

                                                          With B&N, Sony and now Apple, well that's no longer the case.

                                                          'After the announcement of the iPad, publisher Macmillan told Amazon it wanted to charge $12.99-$14.99 for its eBooks. Amazon protested and even pulled Macmillan titles temporarily. Ultimately, Amazon gave in and said it had to accept Macmillan's terms. Hachette Book Group quickly followed Macmillan in charging higher prices.'

                                                           

                                                          There will be few people out there who can afford to use the iPad as mainly an eReader. $600 or more with a requirement to use a 3G connection. Without 3G, it is basically a paperweight, chained to the house-where you may as well just use your desktop/blackberry etc to surf he web.

                                                           

                                                          I find it ironic, that a device that is only going to be minimally used to read books by most people, is going to be majorly responsible for screwing up the pricing for Nook/Kindle etc users.

                                                           

                                                          The main thing in a free society, I thought, was that compeition will always benefit the consumer. Well, from what I am seeing-there is only collusion here, not competition, and I hope that more consumers stand up and NOT buy ebooks at ridiculous prices. Luckily I bought about a 100 ebooks and stockpiled them, for this eventuality. I also buy books from Baen as well as use their free library. I only intend to maybe buy a book a month(as oppose to about 10 or more), and hope that prices come down in about a year or so. I would encourage every eDevice user to do the same...the only way that publishers will back down. It is not as though I wish them not to make a profit...But eBooks should simply not cost more than their physical counterparts. I do not believe anybody can argue with this.

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                                                              Ok, I wouldn't go so far as to say B&N betrayed us nook users. I'd give a really questioning look to Apple, I'm sure negotiations were going on long before they released the iPad.  Now B&N as a store does pretty much (yea I know i'm over simplifying here) one thing. They sell Books. Amazon sells everything upto and incuding kitchen sinks. Apple, sells phone/music players/computers etc. ad nausium. Now everyone wants to make money, it's a fact of life. The issue the publishers are trying to deal with is what to price an ebook at?

                                                               

                                                              Now going out on a limb here, we'd (or at least I would) assume that the publishers are planning on generating some form of DTB, when they approve an authors works. So knowing they're going to create said DTB, they go back and fourth with the author to see how little they can pay him/her, then once that's agreed to, they pay some artist to do the art work, then typesetters/binders/promotion and a whole host of other stuff that I'm not overly familiar with. Then low and behold after they've gone through the work of generating all this work to kick out some DTB, now they have the same art work on file, and the Authors book as some form of Document file. So now they hire some cheap labor, to wade through the Authors document, and set up links to the chapters, inserting the artwork, and then running through conversion software (most likely calibre), and voila, we have an ePub ebook, ready for mailing that 1 copy off to the various retailers to encrypt, and sell to us.

                                                               

                                                              Now no matter how you look at it they still had to do the initial expense, in creating the DTB. And very little of that expense would apply to the ebook. so, how do you price something which is practically created from the waste product of creating the DTB version?

                                                               

                                                              Now when I get music at Amazon, I pay around a $1.00 for a song. Which for some of us old enough to remember Singles records were $1.00 and that included 2 whole songs!!  

                                                               

                                                              So now what price, what price shall the publishers charge? What is the most that they can get us to pay so as not to devalue the book? Each and everyone of us has a particular price point we just won't go above. I for one would not pay more than $10.00 for a Brand Spanking New ebook, hot off the electronic press, released at the same time as the HC. And I wouldn't spend more than $6.00 for the exactly same ebook, when the softcover comes out.

                                                               

                                                              But fortunatly for me this all mote, I have more ebooks than I'm liable to finish reading in this life time, and I get more each month from Baen (free - I'm  on thier VIP plan).

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                                                        bklvr896

                                                         

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        mockturtleCG wrote:

                                                        It looks like eBooks are now more expensive than first run hard cover books.  I was looking for "A Captain's Duty" by Richard Phillips.  This book just came out.  The hard cover edition is available on the B&N site for $15.20, but the eBook edition is $25.99.  I can understand the reasoning behind making the eBooks as expensive as the hard covers during the first few weeks of a new release, but more expensive by 30 or 40 percent?  This is crazy!

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        The ebook price for this book is $9.99 today.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        A Captain's Duty

                                                         

                                                         

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                                                        Everyone keeps talking about Amazon using "predatory" pricing for setting their new release ebook prices as a bad thing. This is a common pricing scheme and the publishers shouldnt be angry about it either. Sony does the same thing with the pricing of its playstation 3 and the loss per system is as high as somewhere around $100 dollars. They do this because they expect to make up the loss with game sales the same way that all (not just Amazon) ebook retailers were making up the loss by selling older books where I'm sure the margin is higher and in many cases their own ereaders.