20 Replies Latest reply on Dec 30, 2012 12:53 PM by 5ivedom

    Not all books are lendable?

      I'm a bit confused on why some books are lendable (i.e. show up in the lendme app) and others aren't.  Every book I've purchased from B&N that I actually want to be able to lend doesn't show up as being lendable on my device (and I've never lent any books at all!). 

       

      It just seems to me that while the lendme feature sounded like a really good selling point when I bought the device, I'm finding that it's of virtually no use to me since none of the books I want to lend are lendable.

        • Re: Not all books are lendable?

          Whether or not a book is lendable is up to the publisher not B&N.

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              tschnet

              I came to this forum having the samw question....multiple post have stated that its up to the publisher. If that is the case why is only 1 or 2 books in a series lendable? I downloaded 5 books in a series, the 3 and 4th books are lend me books, the first 2 are not.

               

              What is the reasoning in that? If your going to "lend" a friend a book, you should be able to lend all the books in the series.

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                  KingAl

                  tschnet wrote:

                  I came to this forum having the samw question....multiple post have stated that its up to the publisher. If that is the case why is only 1 or 2 books in a series lendable? I downloaded 5 books in a series, the 3 and 4th books are lend me books, the first 2 are not.

                   

                  What is the reasoning in that? If your going to "lend" a friend a book, you should be able to lend all the books in the series.


                  Probably for the same reason the first book is often cheaper than the others - to entice you to buy the other books.

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                    That my friend is why someone is lying about this "well its up to the publisher" B.S. Some books in a series are lendable like 1,2,3,6,8 and 4, 5 & 7 are not. Sorry thats not the publishers doing.

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                        bklvr896

                        Tuffy13 wrote:

                        That my friend is why someone is lying about this "well its up to the publisher" B.S. Some books in a series are lendable like 1,2,3,6,8 and 4, 5 & 7 are not. Sorry that's not the publishers doing.


                        Let the publisher know, it IS the publisher's decision, not B&N, not Amazon, not an retailer.  The retailer's don't own the copyright on the book and they can only do what the publisher's allow.

                         

                        Another thing I've seen happen is that some authors, the earlier books in a series are published by one publisher, then the author changed publishers and the later books are published by a different publisher.  Different publishers, different rules.  The "sale" pricing on the Stephanie Plum series was really strange, different prices for different books in no particular order.  But those prices were the same everywhere, so her publisher set those prices based on some logic known only to them.

                         

                        You can look at the details of each book, it will tell you who published and who is the seller.  If it says published by Random House, Sold by Random House, then it's sold by Random House.  If it says published by Mira Books, Sold by B&N then it's a normal retail model and BN can set the price.

                         

                        No one's lying, there doesn't have to be a logical or a discernible reason to us as to why some books in a series are lendable, others are not.

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                          Well here's the thing, Kindle also had them at a discounted rate at the same time. And also I don't give a big crapola about Kindle. I HAVE A NOOK. Can I buy ebooks off Amazon for my NOOK.....no! That would be nice because Kindle has a lot of freebies that Barnes does not (AND vice versa). I just thought it odd that the prices were down for a length of time then the same week the announcement of Borders closing and they went up not only on that series but others' too. Just sayin'     

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                              bklvr896

                              Tuffy13 wrote:

                              Well here's the thing, Kindle also had them at a discounted rate at the same time. And also I don't give a big crapola about Kindle. I HAVE A NOOK. Can I buy ebooks off Amazon for my NOOK.....no! That would be nice because Kindle has a lot of freebies that Barnes does not (AND vice versa). I just thought it odd that the prices were down for a length of time then the same week the announcement of Borders closing and they went up not only on that series but others' too. Just sayin'     


                              I don't the think they went up per se, I believe they were on sale and returned to their original price.  Since the publishers sets the price on those books, I doubt it and anything to do with Borders closing.

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                                ProfReader

                                Tuffy13 wrote:

                                Well here's the thing, Kindle also had them at a discounted rate at the same time. And also I don't give a big crapola about Kindle. I HAVE A NOOK. Can I buy ebooks off Amazon for my NOOK.....no! That would be nice because Kindle has a lot of freebies that Barnes does not (AND vice versa). I just thought it odd that the prices were down for a length of time then the same week the announcement of Borders closing and they went up not only on that series but others' too. Just sayin'     


                                Usually every free book on Amazon becomes free as an epub somewhere else.

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                                Here's an example that contrasts with Hulu to help explain.

                                 

                                1.  Hulu streams large number of shows to the PC via Web.

                                 

                                2.  Hulu Plus allows streaming to TV devices (Roku 2, etc), but a large number say that the rights still only allow streaming to the Web only at this time.

                                 

                                Hulu users are pretty upset (myself included), but the explaination is that Hulu negotiated contracts before Hulu Plus that only requested the rights to stream to the Web browsers on PC's.    Once Hulu Plus was released, the content providers notified Hulu that their agreement didn't cover the new fuctions and started to negotiate.    Now a large number will stream to TV devices like the Roku, but a huge number still don't.

                                 

                                I suspect that BN has to go back and renegotiate for each epub to have the lend feature added.   Newer titles,or those on special may have these, where some titles in between just hadn't been addressed yet.

                                 

                                Of course this is all speculation, but it makes sense.     So until the publishers retag each epub provided for sale, you'll see titles without lend me in an inconsistant maner.

                              • Re: Not all books are lendable?

                                Very simple answer for why some books in a series are lendable.

                                 

                                It's so you can hook your friends on to the series.

                                 

                                *****

                                 

                                To be more clear.

                                 

                                Publishers don't want that you tell a friend - Look this series of 8 books is amazing. Here are all 8.

                                 

                                They earn nothing.

                                 

                                They want you to tell a friend - This series is amazing. Here is book 2 and 4.

                                 

                                And then you friend has to buy the remaining 6.

                                 

                                *****

                            • Re: Not all books are lendable?

                              BanjoBen wrote:

                              I'm a bit confused on why some books are lendable (i.e. show up in the lendme app) and others aren't.  Every book I've purchased from B&N that I actually want to be able to lend doesn't show up as being lendable on my device (and I've never lent any books at all!). 

                               

                              It just seems to me that while the lendme feature sounded like a really good selling point when I bought the device, I'm finding that it's of virtually no use to me since none of the books I want to lend are lendable.


                              The publisher/author hold the rights to what can and can't be done with an eBook.

                               

                              If they don't allow "lending" of eBooks, then it can't be lent out.

                               

                              It is NOT a B&N issue, it is a publisher/author issue.

                               

                               

                              • Re: Not all books are lendable?
                                Ya_Ya

                                 


                                BanjoBen wrote:

                                I'm a bit confused on why some books are lendable (i.e. show up in the lendme app) and others aren't.  Every book I've purchased from B&N that I actually want to be able to lend doesn't show up as being lendable on my device (and I've never lent any books at all!). 

                                 


                                See this:  http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/t5/NOOKbook-Discussion/LendMe-torpedoed-by-Kindle/m-p/789086#M17751

                                 

                                • Re: Not all books are lendable?

                                  I LOVE my nook color!  Trying to get all my family members to purchase one as well.

                                  The lendable feature is a great selling point, but I'm disappointed not all the ebooks

                                  I purchase are lendable.  I don't understand why, other than $$$ of course for the

                                  publishers.  But they should think about something before blocking that option....

                                  if I go to the store and purchase a hard copy, I can pass that around to as many

                                  people as I wish.  Why block it just becuase it's an ebook?  This will weigh on

                                  my future purchases for sure!

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                                      BFCoughlin

                                      I wish an ebook could function the same was a paper book can: one person can read each copy at a time, but when that one person isn't reading it, another person can.  I finish reading it on my Nook, I can pass it along to someone else--deleting it from  my Nook the way it would be "deleted" from my physical library if I lent or gave it to someone else.  I finish reading a book, and I can donate it to my library for their book sale--or leave it ona bench in the part or a table at a cafe for someone else to find and enjoy.

                                       

                                      Unfortunately, that's not the model that's being adopted. I find the Lend Me feature to be next to useless.  I can "lend" it to someone ONCE EVER for two weeks?  Why bother? 

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                                      Its illegal to copy CDs and DVDS to share with you friends. Y'all know how that worked out. The DRM on your ebooks can be broke now. From what I have read its relativly easy. By next year at the latest you will have easy access to software that strips the DRM and can lend as often and to as many people you want. Multiple copies at the same time. The publishers are well aware of this and scrambling to get ahead of it. The race is on. :smileyhappy:
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                                        yocalif

                                        ebook DRM removal tools are already available and easy to find.  So are thousands ebooks with DRM removed.

                                         

                                        Publishers should think twice about creating more restrictions, it creates and even greater demand for illegal DRM ebooks and programmers wanting to make a buck off of DRM removal tools.

                                        • Re: Not all books are lendable?

                                          So why are all the free and or .99 ebooks lendable? So an author will allow some of their books lendable and others not? Doesn't make sense. The lend me feature was misleading as it states lend ebooks to your friend"s" PLURAL not singular right, so why can you only lend it once? I also think its a bit fishy that Banes & Noble jacked up the ebook prices when Borders announced they were closing. I was in the process of buying all of Janet Evanovich Stephanie Plum series because most were under  $5 but had to wait till payday this was on a Monday, by Thursday they were all $7.99-14.99 whewww I was mad. I chose to by the nook because I had to drive an hour to the nearest book store and that was irritating.  

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                                              Tim40744

                                              Tuffy13 wrote:

                                              I also think its a bit fishy that Banes & Noble jacked up the ebook prices when Borders announced they were closing. I was in the process of buying all of Janet Evanovich Stephanie Plum series because most were under  $5 but had to wait till payday this was on a Monday, by Thursday they were all $7.99-14.99 whewww I was mad. I chose to by the nook because I had to drive an hour to the nearest book store and that was irritating.  


                                              Sorry to disillusion you, but those were discounted by MacMillan (listed at Mobileread) and they're no longer on sale. MacMillan sets the price...compare the book prices at other American vendors, you'll notice that they are the same. (The Mobileread link says "Kindle Sale" but the books were the same at B&N.)

                                              • Re: Not all books are lendable?
                                                Ya_Ya

                                                @Tuffy, the facts disagree with your assertions.

                                                 

                                                Here's a discussion about the publisher-controlled LendMe program, which was basically decimated when Kindle began their own version around the beginning of the year:  LendMe torpedoed by Kindle  None of the "Big Six" participate any longer; with the exception of RH's Knopf for Young Readers imprint.

                                                 

                                                The "cheap" books are all lendable because most of those books are self-published via PubIt.  Part of the PubIt TOS requires that all books published via PubIt will be lendable.  

                                                 

                                                The Stephanie Plum books are all published by Random House, who was the last publisher to join the Agency Model.  This is why when you search this forum for more info, you should search "Agency 5" rather than "Agency  6."  For approximately a year, publishers 2-6 in size participated but Random House, the largest abstained.   Now all 6 of the largest publishers (in no particular order, Random House, HarperCollins, Penguin, Simon & Schuster, Hachette and Macmillan) particpate as well as some of the smaller publishers - including Smashwords, a third-party self-publisher.

                                                 

                                                Agency Model explained and Random House joins Agency Model

                                                 

                                                If you're seeing books in your library marked "Lend Me" from any of the "Big Six," (other than Knopf) it's holdover from when they were previously lendable.  They may still say "Lendable" but when you try to lend them, it won't work.

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                                                  Schwa

                                                  Tuffy13 wrote:

                                                  I also think its a bit fishy that Banes & Noble jacked up the ebook prices when Borders announced they were closing. I was in the process of buying all of Janet Evanovich Stephanie Plum series because most were under  $5 but had to wait till payday this was on a Monday, by Thursday they were all $7.99-14.99 whewww I was mad. I chose to by the nook because I had to drive an hour to the nearest book store and that was irritating.  


                                                  But it's NOT fishy that the Kindle prices are exactly the same as Nook for the Stephanie Plum series?

                                                   

                                                  Okay...