28 Replies Latest reply: Jun 15, 2013 7:19 PM by MacMcK1957

    What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??

      I just read that Barnes & Nobles could be one of the next 5 big chains to close by 2017. What happens to our NC if this happens?? I would hate to see another book store close. But I do have to admit, having my NC, I do not go into books stores anymore, nor do I wish to by a paper back books. But that doesn't mean I want them to close.

       

      Borders was one of the first stores to open our mall over 20yrs. ago and the closing of it has had a major in pack.

       

      We do not have a B&N in our town,  (well we do, but it is just a small college one) I do know I would go there if we did. I would hate for them to close.

       

      But I am more worried how B&N closing will effect the NC.

        • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
          Omnigeek

          I think the fears of B&N closing are overwrought however you have a couple things to consider:

           

          • Any closure -- if it happens -- probably won't happen for at least 3 years.  Your Nook Color will still be working,  you just might not get any additional software upgrades after that.
          • Which is more likely, B&N closing or you "moving up" to a new device 3 years from now?  Do you still have the same cell phone you had 3 years ago?  The same laptop or desktop computer?  The same music player?
          • You can always root the Nook Color and continue to get Android updates as needed/desired.
          • You can download your B&N EPUBs to a laptop or desktop computer now and archive them yourself.  There are even tools to remove the DRM although you must be warned that at a minimum they violate your purchase agreement and ultimately could be viewed as a civil or criminal offense.

           

          In short, I wouldn't worry about B&N closing but if they do, you should probably be more worried about having your own archive of books you've bought than about any failure with your Nook Color.

            • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
              BruceMcF

              Omnigeek wrote:

              ...

              • You can download your B&N EPUBs to a laptop or desktop computer now and archive them yourself.  There are even tools to remove the DRM although you must be warned that at a minimum they violate your purchase agreement and ultimately could be viewed as a civil or criminal offense.

               


               

              Note that one explicit exception to the laws against cracking DRM is that its legal to crack a DRM when the DRM is no longer supported. So while it is at present illegal to distribute software for the sole purpose of circumventing the DRM on a B&N book, that restriction vanishes in the hypothetical "B&N has folded, and now the books can no longer be opened" scenario. So the software to crack the B&N DRM is likely to be much more widely available if B&N shuts down their B&N online store and turns off their DRM system.

               

              So pragmatically, what happens is that the ability to buy books directly with a stock Nook Color or Nook Tablet in this "2017" (when you'll likely be able to pick up equivalent hardware for $20 to $50 in real terms) is lost. So either tether your Nook and download over the wire, or root it and download the app for your preferred ebook source and get books directly that way.

               

              IOW, no biggie. So long as (as noted in the quote), you have been careful to safely backup your files, the only problem is that you'll be using hardware that was severely compromised by the technical abilities of 2009/2010, and there'll be much sweeter hardware available (lighter, longer battery life, better screen, more storage capacity) for very little money.

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                bob5958

                You're right, I don't have the same cell phone or other devices that I had a few years ago. But, I've invested a lot of money to buy ofer 60 books from Barnes and Noble on my Nook. I'd hate to find out one day that they've closed shop and my books only work on my Nook which will wear out one day. The great sales they're having on the HD and HD+ for Mother's Day and Father's Day concern me. Are they trying to build the brand or unload excess stock before they stop making the Nook?

                  • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                    bobstro

                    Your B&N DRM-encumbered eBooks can also be read by Adobe Digital Editions (ADE), so unless B&N ANDAdobe gomaway, you'll have access to your purchased eBooks. Or you could be proactive, thumb your nose at the DMCA and learn to remove the DRM. You're not stuck if B&N craters. 

                    • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                      NookGardener

                      Do you have a PC? If so, downlosd NookStudy (you'll find it under textbooks on the website. Use local community college as your school.) Download a copy of your purchase as a backup. Which is just a good plan anyway. Make a note of your cc number.

                       

                      There are plenty if other reading apps on Android that are capable of reading your B&N books. For non-fiction, there are some that are better alternatives now.

                        • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                          TarHeelGirl00

                          NookGardener wrote:

                          Do you have a PC? If so, downlosd NookStudy (you'll find it under textbooks on the website. Use local community college as your school.) Download a copy of your purchase as a backup. Which is just a good plan anyway. Make a note of your cc number.

                           

                          There are plenty if other reading apps on Android that are capable of reading your B&N books. For non-fiction, there are some that are better alternatives now.


                          I have been using Nook for PC for this purpose.  I have never used NookStudy, but maybe I should.  What is the difference and/or advantage? Thanks!

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                              kamas716

                              TarHeelGirl00 wrote:

                              NookGardener wrote:

                              Do you have a PC? If so, downlosd NookStudy (you'll find it under textbooks on the website. Use local community college as your school.) Download a copy of your purchase as a backup. Which is just a good plan anyway. Make a note of your cc number.

                               

                              There are plenty if other reading apps on Android that are capable of reading your B&N books. For non-fiction, there are some that are better alternatives now.


                              I have been using Nook for PC for this purpose.  I have never used NookStudy, but maybe I should.  What is the difference and/or advantage? Thanks!


                              If you've already got Nook for PC you should be fine.  I think he advised NookStudy because that's still available.

                      • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                        patgolfneb

                        If the entire company went away, unlikely given that they have no real competitor in BM and online is growing then there would be a transition process.  The ability to download your books and retain them would be one of the required responses by a court.  Assests such as customer lists would be sold.  It is almost certain that DRM and format would be supported by other entities or publishers would then be at risk for lawsuit.  Denying you access to your licensed ebook purchase would get consumer agencies attention big time.  Your app which displays your book resides on your devices and would not go away.  It is likely someone would buy the reader app and possibly rename it, marketing as supporting and reading BN DRM books.  You really have very little risk except that customer support for issues with your devices and you would have to download everything because archiving would go away.

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                            bklvr896

                            patgolfneb wrote:

                            If the entire company went away, unlikely given that they have no real competitor in BM and online is growing then there would be a transition process.  The ability to download your books and retain them would be one of the required responses by a court.  Assests such as customer lists would be sold.  It is almost certain that DRM and format would be supported by other entities or publishers would then be at risk for lawsuit.  Denying you access to your licensed ebook purchase would get consumer agencies attention big time.  Your app which displays your book resides on your devices and would not go away.  It is likely someone would buy the reader app and possibly rename it, marketing as supporting and reading BN DRM books.  You really have very little risk except that customer support for issues with your devices and you would have to download everything because archiving would go away.


                            If I'm not mistaken, when Borders closed, consumers were advised to transfer their eBooks to Kobo, but if you didn't after a certain time period, you no longer had access to the books.  I remember several posts here about this.

                          • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                            vinnyc

                            There are a number of ebook websites that  provide ePub books you can buy (and free too) an sideload---I do it all the time.

                            • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??

                              2017??? You are worried about something that may or may not happen 5 years from now? :smileyhappy: 

                               

                              In the technology field especially, I can't even fathom where we will be then so I don't waste any time worrying about it. Who knows what form reading will take in the future!

                               

                              As with all major technology changes, such as vinyl records to cassettes to CDs to MP3 - we've had plenty of notice to convert our existing collections to whatever new form the technology takes. There's always a significant overlap and I don't think there would ever be a sudden cut off of support or access to our digital libraries.

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                                Plankter

                                I just came across this article which may describe what happens to Nook if (or maybe even if not) B&N closes (which I really really don't want to see happen!)

                                 

                                http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/05/barnes-noble-nook_n_1186288.html

                                 

                                Plankter

                                • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??

                                  Surviving Nook Colors may be bereaved, but B&N's DRM is already readable on a number of non-B&N applications and devices.

                                  • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??

                                    I think that's irrelevant since by then ther will be something else on the market to replace both the Kindle's & that's just the nature of technology. Everthing get's replaced eventually. 

                                    On another note I'm constantly worried Sony will stop making  Betamaxs :smileyhappy:

                                    • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                                      BruceMcF

                                      Grinchy1 wrote:

                                      I just read that Barnes & Nobles could be one of the next 5 big chains to close by 2017. What happens to our NC if this happens?? I would hate to see another book store close. But I do have to admit, having my NC, I do not go into books stores anymore, nor do I wish to by a paper back books. But that doesn't mean I want them to close. ...

                                       

                                      But I am more worried how B&N closing will effect the NC.


                                      There's no necessary reason it will do anything to the Nook. The chain of B&N bookstores shutting down in, say, 2016 is not intrinsically anything to do with the Nook Touch, Nook Color, or Nook Tablet except that the free WiFi in B&N stores and the free sample reading in B&N stores will no longer be available. Most of the rest of it is B&N's site, and there's no reason why the chain of big box stores shutting down would necessarily cause the site to shut down.

                                       

                                      The reason for the "2017" projection is about the economics of big box bookstores, not about the economics of internet service companies. Whether the B&N eBooks wll continue to be supported will be an issue revolving around the success of the eBooks business, and its just as likely that closing the chain of big box stores would be unlumbering a weight dragging the company down.

                                       

                                      Indeed, if one thinks about the economics of bookstores, its as likely that the chain of big box stores is replaced by small shopfronts with WiFi, kiosks and a Print on Demand machine in the back as that they will simply shut down with no replacement. The fewer physical books in the bookstore, the less overhead there is to be covered by the coffee and muffin sales.

                                       

                                      However, with any DRM protected eBooks that you are buying to keep rather than buying as consumable media, store back-up copies offsite. That's not specific to this question nor to B&N, but general advice.

                                       

                                      • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                                        cherylray

                                        Why are you worried about B&N closing in 2017? Isn't the world supposed to end this year anyway :smileywink:

                                          • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                                            bob5958
                                            I never mentioned 2017. I asked what happens if Barnes and Noble throws in the towel this year on the Nook. Every financial paper including the The Wall Street Journal have had articles about B&N selling their Nook Business to everyone from Apple to Microsoft. I buy at least one book each week. I'd hate to find out some day that my format is no longer being supported by the new owner.
                                              • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                                                bobstro

                                                The 2017 comment and subsequent jokes were made in January. Of 2012. Back up your books, remove DRM if you're so inclined, and quit fretting. You'll be immune to whatever happens to B&N. 

                                                • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                                                  MacMcK1957

                                                  bob5958 wrote:
                                                  ... I'd hate to find out some day that my format is no longer being supported by the new owner.

                                                  The format used by B&N is used by every e-book seller and software provider in the world except for Amazon.  The format will not go away.  At worst, if B&N were to totally fold, they wouldn't have your library online, and you would have to download your books and save them on your hard drive.  But you would still be able to read them.

                                              • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                                                wllbrod5

                                                You know even if BN closes its physical stores I am almost certain Nook will continue just like Amazon with microsoft standing behind Nook i think it will be around for awhile.The nook is the best reader on the market they just got to improve their on line experience to better amazons kindle there is where microsoft comes in. I wouldnt worry just yet have faith.

                                                  • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                                                    Bluepen61

                                                    Root it with ManualNooter or install CM7 on emmc and life goes on!

                                                      • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??

                                                        The question isn't "IF" B&N is going to close, but "WHEN".   

                                                          • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                                                            bobstro

                                                            AGWoodard wrote:

                                                            The question isn't "IF" B&N is going to close, but "WHEN".   


                                                            Well yes, I think that can be said for any company. The trick is to have it happen after you've quit caring. So long as you've backed up your ebooks so you can access them if their cloud closes, the device will keep working just fine.

                                                             

                                                            I'd be a lot more concerned if I'd bought an Oldsmobile shortly before they went under. The NOOK Color was never all that expensive a device, and the books can be read using other software just fine. Some of the 'enhanced' titles might be more of a concern, but otherwise, the DRMed epub files can be read with other software.

                                                             

                                                            I just hope B&N don't needlessly hasten their own demise.

                                                            • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                                                              keriflur

                                                              AGWoodard wrote:

                                                              The question isn't "IF" B&N is going to close, but "WHEN".   


                                                              LOL.  One day Google will close, and Amazon.  One day each of us will die.  One day the human species will cease to exist.  One day the planet will freeze over/dry up/become entirely ocean/cease to have an atmosphere (pick your favorite).

                                                               

                                                              I don't see the need to be alarmist about any of it.

                                                               

                                                              Even if B&N were to close in the foreseeable future, no one is going to go around rounding up all the nook owners and taking their nooks away.  Well, unless an anti-nook regime takes over the government, or an anti-tech regime that forces us back to a feudal system and puts all of the tech lovers into a huge, evolving prison that's actually shrunk down to the size of a charm on a keychain.  Oh wait, that's the plot of INCARCERON, not reality.  :smileywink:

                                                              • Re: What Happens to Nookcolor if B&N Closes??
                                                                bob5958
                                                                Thank you. This is my opinion also.