23 Replies Latest reply on Dec 3, 2012 2:27 PM by keriflur

    NT  forum stay on the product- Nook tablet

    Larryb52

      this is a BN forum , too long I have read negativre crap about what I think is a pretty good product, I come here to read better things than people bashing it becuase they can't hack into it???, that's unacceptable, not what the company intended. Now we have more negative crap about buying another tablet & talking about it , that unacceptable ...lets get back to more positive posts on the NT and stay on topic. If you don't like the product fine, return it & move in , coming here and getting negative is not going to change a thing...go to the appropraite forum...

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          Dear Larry,

           

          Sorry you find discussion unacceptable and I am so glad you are delighted with your Nook Tablet. Unfortunately, others of us here are/were not so happy with it.  We were told to stop whining. We were told that if we didnt like it we should return it. And we were told the problems were with our unreasonable expectations. We should stop being negative.  

           

          So, now some of us HAVE returned it and we HAVE found a great alternative and are telling other unhappy NT owners about this great alternative so they can stop trying to get the NT to do the things B&N dont want it to do. We can all move on.

           

          And STILL we are being told to shut up?

           

          Sorry to have disturbed you Larry. Normal programming shall return shortly.

           

           

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            moose_tracker

            Now you've gone & done it..  If you were on these boards a week ago as compared to today, you would have noticed that the new posts that are negative have died way, way, way back..

             

            The talk about the galaxy 7 was a great way of getting all these people (including myself), to stop feeling at a loss of being so happy to find such a supurb device for all our needs, then having it's abilities change overnight to be less then what we bought it for... The frustration of now not knowing what to do was what in large part kept the arguement up..

             

            Most of us over the Galaxy 7 have worked out a positive solution to the delima and have toned it down.. If NEW Threads like this one that continue to add kindling to the fire for those who will not let it go without letting you know that while you are entitled to your opinon, they are entitled to their differing opinion..

             

            What will be said in this NEW thread will be the same thing said in the 20 other proceeding threads about it. But it will probably be gone over again..

             

            Alot of people have now left.. Some of us are still here because of the great connection we feel to others on this board, and that there are other interesting discussions here that are not NT related.. Related to B&N in general, or future predictions on technological paths of the e-reader etc..

             

            Don't start new threads on the subject, don't rise to arguement over the remaining few grumblings here and there, and things will calm down.. It is your choice.

             

              • Re: NT  forum stay on the product- Nook tablet
                Larryb52

                just stop posting about how subpar the NT is, its only that way for you & a select others that feel they are entitled to hack away at what you feel the decvice should do & sorry if you don't like what I write, is it so untrue? & it is America , I can basically say what I stay civil & funny I am on topic here, you on the other hand need to stay out of NT forum & have at it in the Galaxy..enjoy & lets me enjoy topics here about a device I use & use within the parameters of what the company intended....

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                    You're not the boss of me or anyone else here. I see your jihad extends to other threads as well. Bad week Larry?
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                        Larryb52

                        no just tired of negative crap, why feel guilty ? got something positive to add fine do so, otherwise I suggest you  to just remain silent. I have watched for weeks about people crying about a product that is closed as it was intended to be sold as. Sorry BN makes money by selling content , books, magazine, etc. Galaxy tab sells no content they sell devices, they could care less what you can or cannot run on it, why do you think these type of devices do not sell more than the major competitiors. You have a chocie , seems you;ve made it... BTW do you honestly think these type of negative rants would happen in a Apple forum, not a chance.

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                            moose_tracker

                            Larry - Are you just spitting venom, at no one in particular or at FloridaPhil..  If it is Phil, well then go back and re-read his review between the NT and the Galaxy.. Pretty much he states the two devices are pretty much equal in alot of ways.. The only real difference is what you want out of your tablet.. 

                             

                            A review that puts the NT on equal playing ground with the Galaxy 7  while priced $100 cheaper, means very high marks for the NT..

                             

                            The NT was  no longer a device that would work for him. But, he never said gave the device itself any negative marks.

                             

                            If you have been reading these forums for weeks, the time to be arguementative was during the time the arguements were going on. Not, after everything is winding down, everything is settled and everyone is happy with their choices.

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                              roustabout

                              Trying to control what others when you don't own the hardware that powers discussion is a mug's game.  Telling them what they can do when you do own the hardware is a really bad idea too, unless you're not making up new rules as you go, and unless you're very judicious about doing so. 

                               

                              BN is to be commended for largely letting these conversations run their course.

                               

                              I think it's very interesting that what we're starting to see now is folks realizing that - though the OS needed more maintenance than they were happy with to bring them additional features they wanted - there are benefits to being able to plug a tablet into the Nookverse and the BN authentication system from BN hardware that weren't evident to them until they changed platforms. 

                               

                              There will be some who realize that - within its limitations - there are compelling reasons for returning their other hardware and sticking with or buying the Nook devices. 

                               

                              Anyone who grew up in a house filled with old issues of the New Yorker or National Geographic may already be thinking "yeah, I don't get free angry birds, but the savings on clutter alone...."  :smileyhappy:

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                                  roustabout wrote: "BN is to be commended for largely letting these conversations run their course."

                                  _______________

                                   

                                  I agree, although I don't think B&N has had much choice, given its largely passive role here. If you decide not to provide much in the way of active guidance, technical support, or "official" information, you shouldn't complain when users vent and/or work toward solutions or alternatives on their own. A laissez-faire attitude should be comprehensive. Ignoring pleas for help, but censoring "off-topic" responses, would be the worst of both worlds.

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                                      auntykatkat

                                      JMTR, I totally agree with you. Please accept this laurel.

                                       

                                      Kat

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                                          I tend to think that a great many things can be said, but ought not be said.  However, I am a huge violator of my own thought.

                                           

                                          No, you can't control what others post on an open forum.  A lot that goes on here wouldn't be allowed on heavily moderated forums, but even when people were getting out and out hostile with each other and were modded for it, the rage began about modding.

                                           

                                          So, self-regulation seems to be the theme of the century, because that works oh, so well.

                                           

                                          I tend to believe that the reason some of us are getting a bit testy over all these threads about going out and returning NTs to buy the most awesomest devices ever, are because they tend to be a finger in the air at anyone that still likes their NTs and can accept or deal with the firmware update.

                                           

                                          Since it's well-known that this site is not heavily traveled by BN execs and since at least one poster has stated it's to inform other NT owners of their super smart best use of grey matter ever decision (because no one could ever forsee BN blocking sideloading), then the stated purpose is to direct all this knowledge and vitriole at NT buyers.

                                           

                                          I always do this with things I buy.  You know, just last year I bought a tent and I hated it, oh boy did I.  So, I got on the REI forums and told other people there just how much I hated that thing, so they would know I was using my newfound knowledge to buy one from Eureka.  That showed REI. 

                                           

                                          Next, I bought a Hoover vacuum.  It sucked-or rather it didn't suck.  So, I got a Dyson.  I won't say it, but you know how that went.  Hoover forums here I come.  I must let everyone that just loves their Hoovers know I am way cooler now and tell them just how much better my Dyson is.  After all, it will make me feel better and will show any of those still sticking by Hoover that they are uncool.  But, I will tell them it's because I'm here to help let them know there are other vaccuums out there-that will do different things, and do them better.  Because they have no idea what they want.

                                           

                                          And it's pretty sick when someone wishes a company would go out of business for their own selfish reasons-even if that was meant as some sort of sick joke.  Way too many companies have gone away.  Where I live, some communities are real wastelands.  And across from the university campus sits a very big B&N store that employs a lot of students and others.  What kind of person would even hint at wishing more jobs would go away?

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                                              moose_tracker

                                              Sorry deemure, but because that is how you act when getting a piece of junk, that is not what happened here at all...  Well maybe a few came on the first week stomped around like that and left. But those who are still here now did not do that.

                                               

                                              It was more the fact that we found the NT to be the perfect device, and were now upset that it lost the functionality that was in it when it was bought. But we could think of nothing that was going to replace it. So we used the forum to support each other in our disappointment and discuss what our best options were.. And this was true of even those who finally went with rooting, once it was figured out how to roll back to 1.4.0 root it and block the update, or put the update back on in a way that didn't kill sideloading..

                                               

                                              But for many of us, we did not buy it with the thought of killing our warrenties, regardless of if the reading to get it there was easy or complicated.. So we still continued to work together to find a solution.. Meanwhile fending off arguements that we should not stomp around the NT boards with our feelings.. But, we were bounded together due to our purchases of the NT and our disappointments with the upgrade.. Where else were we going to find a common place to meet and work out a solution..

                                               

                                              Yes it got heated with arguements, simply because the NT lovers could not allow us to moarn our lost and work out a solution and live on.. 

                                               

                                              So it is like you buy a vacuum because you read in your reviews that not only it was a great normal vaccum but did pretty good as a shop vac..  You buy it, find it is perfectly wonderful, then someone comes in and changes the hose so if you use it as a shop vac it will not clog up as all other normal vaccums simply because it was not a feature they promoted on it..   So you now don't know what to buy which will be a decent normal vacuum and a shop vac and are upset because the vacuum you loved just will not work for you unless you have the money to keep it and also buy a shop vac.. So you go to the hoover forum to find other users in the same situation and work with them to work out your frustration of having to return something you really loved, and find something that will be similar vaccum and a shop vac. combo..

                                               

                                              REPEAT - Those still here are not telling you that your NT's are crap.. Mearly, that they now will not work for us, and yes we did our homework and we bought it for the fact it was a great device with the bonus of allowing sideloading..

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                                patgolfneb
                                Jihad, really? I dislike floridas agenda as well. But boorish behavior seems to be a point of pride these days. I wonder have they overdosed on anti heroe movies? Do they dress up in black, wear capes and clutch sweat drenched manifestos in their hands, I doubt it. But the self serving nature of their reasoning and their intolerance for those who feel their criticisims are over the top is present in many forums these days. Since I have a professional past as a social worker I will pass on remote diagnosis, thats a Dr. Job anyway. I will tell you that such individuals are frequentlly incapable of recognizing others contributions and the merits in other points of view.
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                                  Larryb52 wrote:

                                  this is a BN forum , too long I have read negativre crap about what I think is a pretty good product, I come here to read better things than people bashing it becuase they can't hack into it???, that's unacceptable, not what the company intended. Now we have more negative crap about buying another tablet & talking about it , that unacceptable ...lets get back to more positive posts on the NT and stay on topic. If you don't like the product fine, return it & move in , coming here and getting negative is not going to change a thing...go to the appropraite forum...


                                  Larry,

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  We need to talk.  I've been meaning to bring up the subject of our relationship for quite a while now.  It just isn't working out the way I had hoped it would.  I've told you about the issues I have before but it always seemed to me that you just wern't listening.  I tried.  I really really tried to find solutions and make this union work but it just seemed that at every turn you tried to imprison me in your narrow little world.  When we started this relationship, you told me that you had no problem with me and my social life and said nothing would change.  Now, I try to visit all my old friends over at Amazon and google and you immediately get jealous and try to thwart me from my social life.  You even took the keys to my vehicle so I couldn't visit my friends.  Now you tell me that that's just the way it is and I can take it or leave it, just don't come crying to you.

                                   

                                  Well I've had enough of your possessive, jealous nature and I've returned your things.  I've found another who is kind, dependable and doesn't lock me up at home like you do.  I'm free to have relationships with all my friends now. Larry, don't be sad or angry, after all is said and done, It's really me, not you.  I hope you find the ones you're looking for.  We had some really fun times early on, before you got so possessive. I'll never forget you.  Please don't try to call.  I've changed my cell phone number.

                                   

                                  Goodbye.

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                                      Larryb52

                                      mohawkx wrote:

                                      Larryb52 wrote:

                                      this is a BN forum , too long I have read negativre crap about what I think is a pretty good product, I come here to read better things than people bashing it becuase they can't hack into it???, that's unacceptable, not what the company intended. Now we have more negative crap about buying another tablet & talking about it , that unacceptable ...lets get back to more positive posts on the NT and stay on topic. If you don't like the product fine, return it & move in , coming here and getting negative is not going to change a thing...go to the appropraite forum...


                                      Larry,

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                      We need to talk.  I've been meaning to bring up the subject of our relationship for quite a while now.  It just isn't working out the way I had hoped it would.  I've told you about the issues I have in our relationship before but it always seemed to me that you just wern't listening.  I tried.  I really really tried to find solutions and make this union work but it just seemed that at every turn you tried to imprison me in your narrow little world.  When we started this relationship, you told me that you had no problem with me and my social life and said nothing would change.  Now, I try to visit all my old friends over at Amazon and google and you immediately get jealous and try to thwart me from my social life.  You even took the keys to my vehicle so I couldn't visit my friends.  Now you tell me that that's just the way it is and I can take it or leave it, just don't come crying to you.

                                       

                                      Well I've had enough of your possessive, jealous nature and I've returned your things.  I've found another who is kind, dependable and doesn't lock me up at home like you do.  I'm free to have relationships with all my friends now. Larry, don't be sad or angry, after all is said and done, It's really me, not you.  I hope you find the ones you're looking for.  We had some really fun times early on, before you got so possessive. I'll never forget you.  Please don't try to call.  I've changed my cell phone number.

                                       

                                      Goodbye.


                                      don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out, bye...your type of help is not needed....'

                                    • Re: NT  forum stay on the product- Nook tablet
                                      patgolfneb
                                      Yes another week and still we hear. Your right to do anything you wish with your device has been abridged and BN took away the unpublished unsupported feature, they evidently didn't realize they had enabled. I just love it when the children take over and act as if the keep repeating self serving distortions that somehow makes them valid. Even more frightening it seems many are so lacking in critical thinking skills that they don't recognize it. When there are objections to the flawed reasoning, you are dismissed as a fan boy, a plant, why because I want to and they won't let me is not a reasoned argument of support. Unfortunately their parents can't be summoned to apply a correction.
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                                          Not much reasoning there, a lot of childish insults, but not much reasoning.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and just because it doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't make it wrong.  Everyone is also entitled to express that opinion.  Your approval or permission isn't required, just as mine isn't required for anything you chosse to post. A lot of the people who seem to have offended you by expressing their legitimate opinion are gone, how about just agreeing to disagree on the subject and letting it go?

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                                            TnTexas

                                            patgolfneb: Yes another week and still we hear. Your right to do anything you wish with your device has been abridged and BN took away the unpublished unsupported feature, they evidently didn't realize they had enabled. 

                                             

                                            From what I've heard, the feature is an automatic one with the android system so it would be more like a feature they didn't realize they hadn't fully disabled. But that honestly makes no sense to me. Given how the NC was praised by the rooting community, I find it hard to believe that B&N wouldn't have expected the community to try to do everything it could to the Tablet. And since making sure the option was completely disabled was apparently a fairly easy thing to do, I don't understand why it wasn't done before release if it was such a big deal to them.

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                                            patgolfneb
                                            Thats exactly my point there is a double standard. When the poor reasoning of I was cheated by BN, I have a right to do what I want crowd is countered and accompanied by reasoning you get called fanboy, BN plant and your objections are ignored, but if you respond all of a sudden you are unreasonable. It is not an opinion it is garbage if it is based on garbage. It basically is the tactic oftaking an outrages or unsupportable position and if criticized calling the other person racist, socialist, whatever. Then the pile on begins by the rest of the children. The assumption behind everyones entitlement to an opinion is that it is reasoned and has a valid base it is drawn from. Otherwise it is just sloganeering. Political correctness aside it is tme to call it the garbage argument it is.
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                                                patgolfneb wrote:
                                                Thats exactly my point there is a double standard. When the poor reasoning of I was cheated by BN, I have a right to do what I want crowd is countered and accompanied by reasoning you get called fanboy, BN plant and your objections are ignored, but if you respond all of a sudden you are unreasonable. It is not an opinion it is garbage if it is based on garbage. It basically is the tactic oftaking an outrages or unsupportable position and if criticized calling the other person racist, socialist, whatever. Then the pile on begins by the rest of the children. The assumption behind everyones entitlement to an opinion is that it is reasoned and has a valid base it is drawn from. Otherwise it is just sloganeering. Political correctness aside it is tme to call it the garbage argument it is.

                                                Exactly.  How many times in the numerous threads have I read "I have a right to post here".  Well, no actually none of us does.  Yet, if I post because I happen to disagree with the perception that one is owed the ability to turn their NTs into something unintended (my PS3 analogy), on a site for a product I happen to like, I am told if I don't like reading a topic then I shouldn't.  Yeah, right.  And no one tweaked their happy switches to get them to read this one either. 

                                                 

                                                Yes, we do get called all kinds of cutesy names-fanboy, stock owner, BN employee, secret agent in possession of the special BN decoder ring.  When all we tend to be doing is actually supporting a product in its support forums.  I tend to think that the least others could do is understand that we have a reasonable expectation of being allowed to express our liking for a device that this site is dedicated to.

                                                 

                                                The mention of somewhere there being a possible lawsuit is hilarious.  And that coming from people that don't think BN has a right to enforce its EULA.  What's that, chopped liver?  And I'm not saying I love EULAs or ToSs or any agreement at all.  But, just because they are stupid doesn't mean they can't be enforced at some point.

                                                 

                                                Dean's point also is one I've tried to get some people to understand.  You cannot compare what hardware only companies allow you to do with the devices.  HTC, Samsung, and all these other tablet makers do not sell ebooks, apps, and so on.  It is business suicide and stupidity for BN to allow people to purchase apps from other sources since it can compete with or lessen the likelihood of ports of apps to come to the NT and NC.  They also have stockholders to answer to that may not have been real happy to learn this could be done.

                                                 

                                                And apps created specifically for NOOKs are doneso with the screen and its resolution, and all of its hardware and software considered-if done right.

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                                                    bobstro

                                                    deemure wrote:

                                                    [...] Dean's point also is one I've tried to get some people to understand. You cannot compare what hardware only companies allow you to do with the devices. HTC, Samsung, and all these other tablet makers do not sell ebooks, apps, and so on.


                                                    With the exception of video apps, I believe all of B&N's enhanced content is available on both the NOOKcolor and NOOKtablet. I think it's safe to say that, with the exception of some video apps, nothing requires the locked bootloader. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

                                                     

                                                    Many of the video streaming companies do provide players on devices that have full Android Market access.

                                                     

                                                    Taking all these factors into account, it's pretty clear that B&N is hoping to lock users into their walled garden simply to capture revenue. While shortsighted, IMO, this makes some sort of sense so far. It has nothing to do with "security", nor "video requirements".


                                                    It is business suicide and stupidity for BN to allow people to purchase apps from other sources since it can compete with or lessen the likelihood of ports of apps to come to the NT and NC. They also have stockholders to answer to that may not have been real happy to learn this could be done.


                                                    If the device they are providing doesn't provide some basic functionality that many users require, is it any less stupid to expect users to carry two devices? The 7 inch tablet format is perfect for my needs, both business and reading. If I had the ability to load a few more apps, the NT is perfect for my needs. Yet this inability dictates that I carry something that meets these needs.

                                                     

                                                    Yes, I might buy some stuff from other sources, but I'd still be carrying around the primary access device for the B&N marketplace. While B&N might lose some of what I might buy, they'd still capture some. Given their strong brand placement on the device, likely a lot of what I'd buy, especially if I'm happy with the device. By, in effect, pushing me to another device, B&N is actually reducing their brand placement, and thus (very likely) losing all of what I buy. Surely that should register with shareholders?

                                                     

                                                    If it were possible to get their enhanced content (namely, Conde Nast pubs, in my case) on the Android App, I wouldn't be particularly concerned. Perhaps they will add this capability in the future, but for the here and now, access to this enhanced content implies carrying a B&N Nook Color or Tablet device.


                                                    And apps created specifically for NOOKs are doneso with the screen and its resolution, and all of its hardware and software considered-if done right.


                                                    I can see this being an issue for some applications. Mostly games and video. For the email access I need, and the ability to deal with calendaring (oh, and some cut & paste), this is a non-issue. Again, most of the apps I'm concerned about have no problem running on the very same hardware.

                                                     

                                                    With all this emphasis on B&N's revenue stream, I don have to wonder which is more profitable for them: Providing access to the Netflix app which I pay $9 per month to Netflix to use, or the profit from sales of ebooks to me direclty?

                                                     

                                                    Deemure, for the record, I wasn't telling you not to read the threads on these topics. I was merely saying that I'm not trying to force anybody to read these threads, nor am I trying to force anybody to sideload apps. :smileyfrustrated:

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                                                        This entire discussion is very interesting to me.

                                                         

                                                        It seems that B&N is stating out a contract (implicitly, not explicitly) -

                                                         

                                                        1) You buy this Tablet from us.

                                                        In return you agree to this locked market ecosystem.

                                                        Which will ensure we make a profit from products sold to you and make back the R&D investment we put into the device.

                                                         

                                                        And that some people are saying -

                                                         

                                                        No, actually no such thing exists. The minute I buy the Tablet I can do anything I want.

                                                         

                                                        *****

                                                         

                                                        So B&N is left with two users -

                                                         

                                                        1) Users from whom it makes regular income and who over time will be profitable customers. Since they stay in the locked ecosystem.

                                                         

                                                        2) Users from whom it may or may not make a profit. Because they will root and use Nook either as a cheap Android Tablet or as a mix of an Android Tablet and a Nook Tablet.

                                                         

                                                        *****

                                                         

                                                        I think one thing a lot of the users in the latter category don't realize is that B&N would literally go bankrupt or be forever at Google's mercy if it doesn't create a locked ecosystem.

                                                         

                                                        For example, we make apps for B&N's ecosystem and a few others, but not for Android Market.

                                                         

                                                        If B&N were to go fully open we'd probably stop making apps for Android because Android is a completely free focused market and ad-focused.

                                                         

                                                        Furthermore as B&N tries a new approach it's going to end up with a market that has (within a year or two) better quality apps than Android.

                                                        Because a focus on paid leads to better apps than a focus on free.

                                                         

                                                        *****

                                                        So, we have a second thing. B&N might truly believe (and Amazon has already said this) that it can make a much better ecosystem.

                                                         

                                                        *****

                                                         

                                                        I think that leads to two big reasons for B&N to focus on customers willing to live with the closed ecosystem and also to lock out customers not willing to do that

                                                         

                                                        1) Profitability and Survival.

                                                         

                                                        If B&N keeps selling subsidized Razors to people who buy Blades from somewhere else it'll go bankrupt.

                                                         

                                                        2) Creating its own ecosystem.

                                                         

                                                        B&N is cobbling together what is going to become the best app store for Android developers. Why? Because it is focused on quality paid apps and not on free apps or ad-supported apps.

                                                         

                                                        It's doing something quite similar to what Apple did i.e. focus on quality and paid apps.

                                                         

                                                        *****

                                                        The second I think is hugely important. Nearly as important as profitability and survival. If B&N creates a Store where people are willing to pay for quality content, then it will lead to developers flocking to it. That in turn will lead to higher quality apps and more apps.

                                                         

                                                        Consider Android Market. The best selling apps have sold a million copies. That might seem like a lot but it's nothing compared to Apple's ecosystem.

                                                         

                                                        At the same time you have free apps that have sold 50 million copies (Temple Run for example). So the ratio of people willing to download free apps to paid apps is something like 25:1.

                                                         

                                                        That's really not a sustainable business model for anyone. At least I don't think so.

                                                         

                                                        *****

                                                        Then that 'everything for free' sentiment spreads to everything else. My guess would be that sales of ebooks in Play Store are 10 to 20 times less than B&N and Amazon.

                                                        Same for movies when comparing Play Store and Apple.

                                                         

                                                        Basically, you end up creating a store where everyone expects free everything.

                                                         

                                                        So, that's another big incentive for B&N to avoid the openness of Google. Google keeps making money from search so it can keep everything else free as a loss leaders.

                                                         

                                                        But other companies need to make money somewhere. And for that they need to avoid 'free everything' people and create ecosystems of 'people who are willing to pay for quality'.

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                                                            keriflur

                                                            5ivedom wrote:

                                                            I think one thing a lot of the users in the latter category don't realize is that B&N would literally go bankrupt or be forever at Google's mercy if it doesn't create a locked ecosystem.

                                                             


                                                            I don't understand the logic here.  I own an N7, and I own it rather than a nook because I wanted an open ecosystem.  I wanted to be able to use the apps I like, not the apps that B&N says I can use.  And I want to be able to use the apps I've paid for already, and not have to rebuy them in the B&N ecosystem.

                                                             

                                                            So, because of the closed ecosystem, I'm not buying any apps from B&N, and B&N lost a hardware sale.  Would I buy apps from B&N in an open market?  I don't know.  I might.  But in the current situation, I definitely won't.  "I might" surely is better odds than "No way, no how."  And if B&N could "do it better" then I probably would buy apps from them, even in an open ecosystem.

                                                             

                                                            Also, you assume that what's keeping B&N from going bankrupt is app sales.  Why?  I'm fairly certain it's not.  I doubt they're making more on apps than on books.

                                                             

                                                            On my N7 it's easy for me to buy books from any vendor, and I have the apps for nook, kindle, Play, and Kobo installed.  But I still buy almost all of my books from B&N, because they're the easiest to share with my mom and dad (because of the social DRM), and because I like their reader app the best.  And I know I'm not unique.  So, why would they go bankrupt in an open market?  Why would they be at Google's mercy?  I just don't see it.