7 Replies Latest reply on Apr 7, 2013 1:26 PM by 5ivedom
      • Re: Cheap Nook Worth a Look as Kindle Rival
        DonMN
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        • Re: Cheap Nook Worth a Look as Kindle Rival

          Wow. This is one of the few times I've seen anyone in the main stream media write a 'fair' article about the Nook.

           

          A very decent portrayal of strengths and weaknesses. Perhaps it glosses over the drawbacks a bit. However, it's a good article.

          • Re: Cheap Nook Worth a Look as Kindle Rival

            did research for abt a year maybe a year and a half regarding a tablet purchase. i treated it just like a computer purchase. at the time i was researching the orginal nook. vs the orginal kindle. i listed what i NEEDED vs what i would LIKE and finally what i DIDNT need to justify the purchase. in the end what i NEEDED  was internet/web browsing connection which at the time neither did. so i decided to wait and started the process over again when they did have it. what sold me on the nook was 1. the HD 2. the read in store option 3. is a tie between free fridays and weight. the kindle had wifi the nook had wifi i liked the set up of the nook vs the kindle ( ease of use i guess many would word it) my family and many friends all have the nexus 7 or 10 which they LOVE yet they are not active readers . they use theirs as a portable compact computer which surfs the net and watches movies on. which i can do too yet i use the reading function more. they have no complaints with theirs but they approach buying much as i do. i agree that people who buy because its cool, new, fashion statements or on whimm really do not know what they are recieving in the box and many times are passing the blame for their stupidity onto the company.

            • Re: Cheap Nook Worth a Look as Kindle Rival
              Sardonic

              What I find interesting is how no one is mentioning how easy the Nook HD/HD+ is to root.  If you were able to root the Nook Color then you can root the HD/HD+.

               

              After trying to lock down the Nook Tablet it appears that BN opened the Nook back up for modding.

               

              So, you can have the Play Store and Amazon's store.

               

              Of course, with Googles' Nexus brand at the 'open' end of the spectrum and Amazon at the 'closed' end both with tons of content that doesn't leave a lot of room for BN and Nook line.

               

              With the loss of market-share in the eReader/Tablet space and agency pricing eliminated I am not sure BN's going to fair very well...not to mention GoodReads being gobbled up; In a year you wont find any mention of Nook, Kobo, BN, etc...on that once 'independent' site.

               

              As the good as the Nook line/brand is I think BN's overall digital strategy is/was incomplete.

                • Re: Cheap Nook Worth a Look as Kindle Rival
                  roustabout

                  I think the more important thing to call out on the HD/HD+ is that ADB and app sideloading are available and documented.  This is why I bought the + on launch day, and until there was root, I was fairly happy as I could have a launcher of my choosing and install other apps that I wanted. 

                   

                  I'd disagree with this:

                   

                  "After trying to lock down the Nook Tablet it appears that BN opened the Nook back up for modding."

                   

                  They tried to have it more locked than the Tablet is - you can modify /system on the Tablet - but failed.  

                   

                  "no one is mentioning how easy the Nook HD/HD+ is to root"

                   

                  As of now, the device is easy to root and is easy to boot from an SD card. 

                   

                  The rooting is something BN tried to avoid and could potentially block with a software update - they actually put logic in that looks for changes to /system at boot time and, if any are found, wipes the system and restarts.  The folks who built the logic missed something, which is very nice, and a commonly-applied fix to the system (the white on white repair) blocks OTA updates as a side benefit - but as someone who had an HD+ get wiped a few times as we were all learning what could be done, I know you need to be careful and that there are some apps that can make trouble.

                   

                  Booting from the SD card is probably not fixable.  As I understand it, the bootloader is locked (hence, no pure CM10 available) but a debug setting can be invoked that permits boot from SD.  The CM10 performance is nice, but not as nice as it would be if we could install completely onto internal memory. 

                  • Re: Cheap Nook Worth a Look as Kindle Rival

                    Sardonic,

                     

                    This was always going to be true: As the good as the Nook line/brand is I think BN's overall digital strategy is/was incomplete.

                     

                    *****

                     

                    They are a retail bookstore chain getting into digital.

                     

                    They did some very impressive things such as the hardware.

                     

                    They needed some luck and got some early on. But now a few bad decisions and a lack of assets and resources is causing problems.

                     

                    If it were just Kindle Department vs Nook Department, I think Nook would win. Because what we have is

                     

                    iPad and Nook best on hardware

                     

                    Nook and Kindle best on prices

                     

                    iPad best on ecosystem

                     

                    iPad best on software'

                     

                    Kindle best on infrastructure and add-on services

                     

                    Google best on lots of free apps

                     

                    *****

                     

                    So Kindle, if it didn't have Amazon's add-on things, would be left out.

                     

                    However, it does. So B&N has to compete not just against Kindle, but also against Amazon.com and Amazon.com's established customer relationships and AWS and Prime.

                     

                    It's a bit much.

                     

                    *****

                     

                    What is really interesting to me is how Amazon has manged to do so well in eInk readers and decent in Tablets despite having neither excellent software nor excellent hardware (with the exception of Kindle 3 (the keyboard Kindle)).

                     

                    All other cases its hardware has been 2nd best - First Sony had better eReaders, then Nook (except during the Kindle 3 stretch), and now Nook and iPad have much better hardware.

                     

                    The software has always been spotty. I have a Kindle Fire 1 and sometimes it takes 4-5 seconds just to change between sections like apps and books.

                    My Nook Color, on the other hand, is still snappy and responsive.

                     

                    But I can see how services and infrastructure make Fire more compelling for lots of people.