17 Replies Latest reply on Sep 28, 2014 4:20 PM by ChelsieT

    Nook & Google Play

      I see that B&N has added the Google Play store -- but the news reports only mention it in regard to the Nook HD and HD+. Is that accurate? Does this new feature only apply to those two devices? If so, when will those of us who bought earlier versions of Nook devices get access to Google Play?

       

      I bought my Nook Color two years ago. I'd love to have access to Google Play.

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          EB613

          Welcome to the Loyalty Club, where you aren't rewarded for your loyalty. I told B&N on their FB page that they're going to lose a crucial base if they don't update at the very least the Nook Tablet. Capitalism and loyalty do go in the same boat. Heck, I'll spend $10 for an update if that means I get Google Play too!

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              flyingtoastr

              EB613 wrote:

              Welcome to the Loyalty Club, where you aren't rewarded for your loyalty. I told B&N on their FB page that they're going to lose a crucial base if they don't update at the very least the Nook Tablet. Capitalism and loyalty do go in the same boat. Heck, I'll spend $10 for an update if that means I get Google Play too!


              Would BN like to update their older models? Sure. But it's a ton of work for very little fiscal result.

               

              "Getting Google Play" isn't a simple plop-the-app-and-go. You first have to get licence permission from Google, who approves every device's hardware. Assuming they grant the licence, there are certain obligations that then have to be met - Google requires their apps installed in a certain way with very deep hooks into the actual OS (for example, in the 2.1 HD update there's two more entire catagories of Settings just devoted to Google services).

               

              And BN wouldn't be able to reuse any of the stuff they've done to get it out for the HD's because of how radically different the device lines are (huge difference in SOC's, Android kernels, etc.).

               

              A far more fiscally sound plan would just be to give some trade-up credit for Encore and Ovation owners to upgrade their devices to the HD Series. It saves BN a lot of programming time that literally nets them nothing but a competiting store on their older devices.

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                  EB613
                  While you're probably right, I am just complaining for the day. Then I'll be done. :smileyhappy:
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                      This:   If you read the CEO comments, they have a backlogged inventory of the HD nooks they want to sell and are hoping that this will help get rid of those (in anticipation of newer devices?).

                       

                      *****

                       

                      If not for the need to sell HD and HD+ devices there would be no Google Play.

                       

                      There's no huge stock left over of Color and Tablet so makes no sense there.

                       

                      I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last Android based Nook that B&N makes. Perhaps even the last tablet.

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                          It probably should be their last tablet.  They can not keep up with the other tablets with functionality.  I know I have a Nook Color and am getting ready to upgrade.  It will NOT be a Nook product.  With the way this device has deteriorated, (freezing, not loading, throwing me out of the programs, etc...) I am going to purchase either an ipad or a tablet from Samsung.

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                              bobstro

                              This is an old thread, but there are now more options than ever. Sadly, you've missed all the holiday sales.

                               

                              I've been on Samsung tablets for a couple of years now, starting with the SGT 2 7.0 and lately on the SGN 10.1 2014 model. They're all more than adequate for ebook and general app use. The 7 inch is now a couple of years old, and my son uses it at work daily with no problems. The NOOK app works well on all of them, though I prefer other reader apps.

                               

                              If you're after a general purpose tablet these days, buy a general purpose tablet. The NOOKs work fine for what they do, and the GoPS access makes them even better, but if you want more features, they can be had elsewhere for reasonable prices.

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                          I can understand FTs post. But I agree with everyone else, too. I got my Nook Tablet for Christmas last year. They stopped updating it in June. That's 6 months! I don't care how fast the turn around is for modern technology. If they don't give us Google Play or offer some kind of trade in or do something - anything! - to make me feel like they care even a smidge about my loyalty, then they will have lost it forever. I'll root my tablet, which I've been loyal enough to not do so far, and when it dies I will be replacing it with something that does not benefit B&N in any way. And you can bet I'll be buying my ebooks elsewhere, too.

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                            Froide

                            flyingtoastr wrote:

                            EB613 wrote:

                            Welcome to the Loyalty Club, where you aren't rewarded for your loyalty. I told B&N on their FB page that they're going to lose a crucial base if they don't update at the very least the Nook Tablet. Capitalism and loyalty do go in the same boat. Heck, I'll spend $10 for an update if that means I get Google Play too!


                            Would BN like to update their older models? Sure. But it's a ton of work for very little fiscal result.

                             

                            "Getting Google Play" isn't a simple plop-the-app-and-go. You first have to get licence permission from Google, who approves every device's hardware. Assuming they grant the licence, there are certain obligations that then have to be met - Google requires their apps installed in a certain way with very deep hooks into the actual OS (for example, in the 2.1 HD update there's two more entire catagories of Settings just devoted to Google services).

                             

                            And BN wouldn't be able to reuse any of the stuff they've done to get it out for the HD's because of how radically different the device lines are (huge difference in SOC's, Android kernels, etc.).

                             

                            A far more fiscally sound plan would just be to give some trade-up credit for Encore and Ovation owners to upgrade their devices to the HD Series. It saves BN a lot of programming time that literally nets them nothing but a competiting store on their older devices.


                            Wouldn't reinstating the ability to install and operate third-party apps on the NT and NC be an easy alternative to BN's making time-consuming or expensive programming changes necessary to offer Google Play on those older devices?

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                          ItsGreg wrote:  I bought my Nook Color two years ago. I'd love to have access to Google Play.

                          I happen to have the orig Nook Color given to me a couple of years ago when it came out.

                          The first thing I noticed was that most, if not all the apps were "toy-like".

                          I didn't have access to my usual mix of financial tools or other grownup apps

                          like on my Blackberry, it was all toys...

                          SO - I stumbled onto a micro SDcard called - N2A - that once inserted into the Nook Color SD slot, would allow the Nook Color to boot into full Android mode,

                          with all the normal Android apps... no mods to the Nook.

                          I've never looked back.... I use it all the time, carry it with me when out - and still like it. I even have a SDcard with Android JellyBean, but have not used it much, as they changed a bunch of stuff compared to my Android Gingerbread version.
                          I may re-boot into native Nook mode just to see what's new...

                          SO - for me, they blew it with all the toy-like apps, and nothing for a "tablet" user...

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                            BruceMcF

                            After taking my HD on my trip to Philadelphia for the annual economist's conference, I can say that I am more than happy with it. It cost me $85 as a refurb, and would have been well worth the ability and nice compact form factor even at the list price of $130.

                             

                            Though 80% of the apps I actually used on the trips were built in or downloaded from the Nook app store, a substantial part of that usability is because of the availability of Google Play, since my bank app and Crunchyroll Manga was not available in the Nook app store.

                             

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                              can someone thats smarter than i am please help me install google apps to the nook color for my daughter?? please help

                               

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                                  bobstro

                                  Boom, I built a card for someone here a few months ago, and I think I still have the image file around, ready to go. It's an 8 GB image booting CyanogenMod 7.2 with some kid-friendly front-end software. I'll PM you with details.

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                                      Was just reading another of your threads about BN not registering the Nook Tablet with Google so users could put the PlayStore on it.  You stated that you are running CM 10.1 and that it is running nicely.
                                      Your post: (http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/t5/NOOK-Tablet-Support/Google-Play-access-Firmware-update-for-Google-Tablet/td-p/1466574)

                                      Did you root your Tablet or build an SD card to boot off of?  Can you please point me to some directions for building a bootable SD card image?  You cite "a little effort to root" but I'm just coming off 5 hours+ of trying along side my go-to IT guru (and I am a lot of folks go-to IT guru myself) and all we managed to do after hours of researching, imaging, and re-booting was was exactly zero.  Wanted to avoid actually rooting (and possibly bricking) the device.  Tablet firmware is 1.4.3.  Any ideas? 

                                      You also say above that the NC is pretty well obsolete.  Is the NT (bntv250) also too slow to be useful with current apps?  Am trying to get it up and running PlayStore and thereafter, Mine Craft, for my son.  Would hate to spend any more time time or effort on it for naught.

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                                          bobstro

                                          fly4doe wrote:

                                          Was just reading another of your threads about BN not registering the Nook Tablet with Google so users could put the PlayStore on it.  You stated that you are running CM 10.1 and that it is running nicely.
                                          Your post: (http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/t5/NOOK-Tablet-Support/Google-Play-access-Firmware-update-for-Google-Tablet/td-p/1466574)

                                           

                                          That link doesn't seem to work for me, but yes, I rooted a NT and put CM 10.1 on it months ago.

                                          Did you root your Tablet or build an SD card to boot off of? 

                                           

                                          I personally install CM on internal (eMMC) memory on all my NOOK devices these days, overwriting the B&N firmware. They're well out of warranty and I've found functional equivalents to all of the native software that I prefer. Performance tends to be better and storage kept simple this way, at least for my needs.

                                           

                                          Can you please point me to some directions for building a bootable SD card image?

                                           

                                          I did my NT in a quick evening following the directions at XDA. I believe this is the set of instructions I followed. Again, that is for an internal installation. I never tried a bootable NT uSD install.

                                           

                                          You cite "a little effort to root" but I'm just coming off 5 hours+ of trying along side my go-to IT guru (and I am a lot of folks go-to IT guru myself) and all we managed to do after hours of researching, imaging, and re-booting was was exactly zero.  Wanted to avoid actually rooting (and possibly bricking) the device.  Tablet firmware is 1.4.3.  Any ideas? 

                                          These things are nearly bulletproof, so the odds of bricking are near-zero, at least doing anything in software. You can, of course, scare yourself, but most recovery scenarios start successfully with a bootable uSD card with ClockWorkMod on it. Get that built, keep it aside, and you needn't worry.

                                           

                                          There's a lot of potential for confusion. You can:

                                           

                                          1. Root the stock firmware.

                                          2. Run alternate firmware from a bootable uSD card.

                                          3. Run alternate firmware from internal eMMC memory.

                                           

                                          The procedure is entirely independent and different for each. Be sure to stick to one plan from start to finish as you go through the process! Also, I am not sure on the NT, but the NC is very particular regarding what uSD cards will work for scenario 2. A Class 4 SanDisk is your best bet on the NC. Nothing faster!

                                           

                                          As far as rooting, I personally wouldn't bother. I ran my NC rooted for a year, and while it worked, it was always a struggle. Other than nice book covers on my home screen, CM provided everything the B&N firmware did. I did root the NT when my wife used it, but I've forgotten most of that process. I have dozens of NOOK Color root and CM installs under my belt, but the NT was a one-shot effort when my wife upgraded and gave me the NT. I handed the device over to my son shortly afterwards, so sadly I can't tell you a lot about the process. I may be getting it back (he's gone iPad Mini!), so in a couple of months, I'll be able to experiment again. Remember, if you're installing CM (to card or eMMC) you DO NOT need to root the B&N firmware first.

                                           

                                          You also say above that the NC is pretty well obsolete.  Is the NT (bntv250) also too slow to be useful with current apps?  Am trying to get it up and running PlayStore and thereafter, Mine Craft, for my son.  Would hate to spend any more time time or effort on it for naught.

                                           

                                          The NT seemed quite decent on the few days I used it with CM. The display is gorgeous. Although I didn't try Minecraft on it, I think it'd be OK. The dual core processor seemed to make a big difference. The NC pauses and sputters a lot. The NT was nowhere near as snappy as a modern tablet, but it was slow-but-smooth. Mine's a 16 GB version with 1 G RAM. I'd be more concerned about an 8 GB version with only 512 MB RAM. I fully intend to swipe mine back and keep it around as a backup. It's perfect for using as a ChromeCast launcher with YouTube, Netflix and HBO Go (assuming these still work).

                                           

                                          All that said, there are some nifty tablets for well under $200 these days. There's something to be said for not having to constantly be tech support at home. 

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                                      ChelsieT

                                      I'm having the same problem. Everytime I want to instal or download a new app it says I need google play then it won't let me have it and it just gets so fustrating