62 Replies Latest reply on Mar 20, 2013 10:12 AM by keriflur

    2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

      I'm a pretty reasonable guy, but when I upgraded from the Nook Classic to the new Simple Touch Nook ( I drove an hour to a Barnes and Noble last night to find one) I was SHOCKED to find that this new device only gives me 240 MEGABYTES (That's 1/4 of a a GB for you non-techies) of space for content that is NOT purchased from Barnes and Noble.

       

      OK, so if you read the fine print on the web site, it does state that 1GB of the space is for the system and of the remaining 1GB, UP TO 750 MB may be reserved for content from Barnes and Noble.

       

      BUT... there is a big difference between "up to 750MB" and "MAY BE reserved" and the fact that 750 MB is ACTUALLY reserved.  I only have 240MB of space available for my personally formatted e-books.  Even though I have bought nothing from B&N yet, my Nook's memory only shows 240MB available.

       

      I hope tech support gets LOADS of phone calls on this and that the news gets out about this false advertising.  OK, so I can get a micro-SD card and get the memory I want, but the false advertising and stinginess with the memory on MY device is enough to make me want to desert to Amazon and buy a Kindle next time around.

       

      I asked customer service if they would give me the $10 to buy an SD card to get the memory they told me I was getting in the advertising and they said, "No"  I then asked if I could lodge a complaint and was put on hold for what seemed like forever, and I finally gave up and decided to vent on this forum.

       

      Hope lots of people read this.

       

      Bryan

       

        • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
          keriflur

          I hope you're in your fire-proof suit because you're about to get flamed.

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            Clarification: it only has ~240Mb for your own side-loaded content. A goodly portion of the 750 Mb is assumed to be for B&N content, including purchased books. This directory is hidden from view, though, so it's not clear how much of the internal space is being used up.

             

            A SanDisk 2Gb micro SD card costs $0.98 on Amazon right now (just checked)

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                mpclemens...

                 

                The inexpensive memory price you quoted from Amazon just makes it all the more ridiculous that B&N would not include that memory on-board the device for their customers.  What useful purposed did it serve to so drastically cut the available memory?  None.

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                    VWJ wrote:

                    mpclemens...

                     

                    The inexpensive memory price you quoted from Amazon just makes it all the more ridiculous that B&N would not include that memory on-board the device for their customers.  What useful purposed did it serve to so drastically cut the available memory?  None.


                    OK, sure. As I bought one, fully aware of the specs and the fine print, I'm not going to take a side here. Rage if you want, but in my experience, any spec sheet should always be read with scrutiny and skepticism, paying close attention to footnotes and what-not. (See also: "Two months of battery life" discussions.)

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                    mpclemens wrote:

                     

                    A SanDisk 2Gb micro SD card costs $0.98 on Amazon right now (just checked)



                    That makes people seem silly for complaining about a problem they could correct for a buck.  But how much is shipping on that 98c card?

                     

                    I found a 2GB SanDisk microSD card for just 51c there.  Oh, AND 5 bucks for shipping.  At 51c, I figured I could buy a pile of them, to amortize the shipping costs.  Ah, not so much.  30 of them cost $150 to ship.  Riiiight!  :smileysad:  Some Amazon sellers are not very honest.

                     

                    I'm guessing you can't get that 2 GB card you mentioned for a buck either.

                     

                    - Mark

                     

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                        Mark_OB1 wrote:

                        mpclemens wrote:

                         

                        A SanDisk 2Gb micro SD card costs $0.98 on Amazon right now (just checked)



                        That makes people seem silly for complaining about a problem they could correct for a buck.  But how much is shipping on that 98c card?

                         

                        I found a 2GB SanDisk microSD card for just 51c there.  Oh, AND 5 bucks for shipping.  At 51c, I figured I could buy a pile of them, to amortize the shipping costs.  Ah, not so much.  30 of them cost $150 to ship.  Riiiight!  :smileysad:  Some Amazon sellers are not very honest.

                         

                        I'm guessing you can't get that 2 GB card you mentioned for a buck either.

                         

                        - Mark

                         


                        I paid ~$4 including shipping.  I'm still waiting for the card but that's all I paid.

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                      Ya_Ya

                      I seriously don't understand.

                       

                      You bought a product without doing due dilligence.  You get it home and don't like something about it, something which was advertised.  And now you're going to rant and rave?  Why not just return it if it doesn't do what you want, the way you want it - why keep it?!?

                       

                      If it makes you feel better, tell the retailer exactly why you returned it when you return it.

                       

                      To me, that would seem to speak much more clearly to B&N your disappointment than just telling them but keeping their product.  :smileywink:

                      • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                        VWJ wrote:

                        I'm a pretty reasonable guy, but when I upgraded from the Nook Classic to the new Simple Touch Nook ( I drove an hour to a Barnes and Noble last night to find one) I was SHOCKED to find that this new device only gives me 240 MEGABYTES (That's 1/4 of a a GB for you non-techies) of space for content that is NOT purchased from Barnes and Noble.

                         

                        OK, so if you read the fine print on the web site, it does state that 1GB of the space is for the system and of the remaining 1GB, UP TO 750 MB may be reserved for content from Barnes and Noble.

                         

                        BUT... there is a big difference between "up to 750MB" and "MAY BE reserved" and the fact that 750 MB is ACTUALLY reserved.  I only have 240MB of space available for my personally formatted e-books.  Even though I have bought nothing from B&N yet, my Nook's memory only shows 240MB available.

                         

                        I hope tech support gets LOADS of phone calls on this and that the news gets out about this false advertising.  OK, so I can get a micro-SD card and get the memory I want, but the false advertising and stinginess with the memory on MY device is enough to make me want to desert to Amazon and buy a Kindle next time around.

                         

                        I asked customer service if they would give me the $10 to buy an SD card to get the memory they told me I was getting in the advertising and they said, "No"  I then asked if I could lodge a complaint and was put on hold for what seemed like forever, and I finally gave up and decided to vent on this forum.

                         

                        Hope lots of people read this.

                         

                        Bryan

                         

                         

                        You are correct and I am getting prety annoyed at all the righteous know-it-alls who declare that *they* are satisfied and anybody who has a problem with B&N's false advertising is just too stupid to understand how stupid they are.  

                         

                        I read it all over these discussion boards from otherwise helpful regular users.   " *I* don't have that problem so *you* must be - ignorant, unreasonably demanding, or have not conducted "due diligance" (pick one.) "

                         

                        Yes.  I consider it deceptive advertising for B&N to say the new Nook has 2 g's of memory while not saying half of that is used only for the operating system to run the thing.  They know they are implying it's there for the customer's use in direct competition with other eReaders.  I don't care a bit what the fine print on the web site says.  The employess in the store are not saying that and that is whre the majority of the sales are being conducted.

                         

                        Nooksie - the satisfied owner of a NookC who was interested in a Nook2


                         

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                            Nooksie wrote: 

                             

                            You are correct and I am getting prety annoyed at all the righteous know-it-alls who declare that *they* are satisfied and anybody who has a problem with B&N's false advertising is just too stupid to understand how stupid they are.  

                             

                            I read it all over these discussion boards from otherwise helpful regular users.   " *I* don't have that problem so *you* must be - ignorant, unreasonably demanding, or have not conducted "due diligance" (pick one.) "

                             

                            Yes.  I consider it deceptive advertising for B&N to say the new Nook has 2 g's of memory while not saying half of that is used only for the operating system to run the thing.  They know they are implying it's there for the customer's use in direct competition with other eReaders.  I don't care a bit what the fine print on the web site says.  The employess in the store are not saying that and that is whre the majority of the sales are being conducted.

                             

                            Nooksie - the satisfied owner of a NookC who was interested in a Nook2


                             It's the same thing as when you buy a PC or a MAC.  You're told how big the hard drive is BEFORE it's formatted and BEFORE the Operating System is installed and BEFORE all the cute little programs that the PC manufacturers install without your permission.

                            How is this different?

                             

                            So basically anyone who understands (not necessarily agrees with) what B&N is doing is a self-righteous know it all?  Wake up and smell the coffee.  B&N is in business to make money.  They didn't get into the e-reader business to make you or me happy or for yours or my convenience.  They're in the e-reader business to sell e-books FROM THEIR STORE.  It is not such a hardship to purchase a 2GB card (which will hold approximately 2000 books for less than $5.  If that is a hardship then you shouldn't have bought the Nook in the first place.

                            Quite possibly you should sell your naivete and bottle it.  Then you could afford an SD card.

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                                gandalf1369

                                AlanNJ wrote:

                                Nooksie wrote: 

                                 

                                You are correct and I am getting prety annoyed at all the righteous know-it-alls who declare that *they* are satisfied and anybody who has a problem with B&N's false advertising is just too stupid to understand how stupid they are.  

                                 

                                I read it all over these discussion boards from otherwise helpful regular users.   " *I* don't have that problem so *you* must be - ignorant, unreasonably demanding, or have not conducted "due diligance" (pick one.) "

                                 

                                Yes.  I consider it deceptive advertising for B&N to say the new Nook has 2 g's of memory while not saying half of that is used only for the operating system to run the thing.  They know they are implying it's there for the customer's use in direct competition with other eReaders.  I don't care a bit what the fine print on the web site says.  The employess in the store are not saying that and that is whre the majority of the sales are being conducted.

                                 

                                Nooksie - the satisfied owner of a NookC who was interested in a Nook2


                                 It's the same thing as when you buy a PC or a MAC.  You're told how big the hard drive is BEFORE it's formatted and BEFORE the Operating System is installed and BEFORE all the cute little programs that the PC manufacturers install without your permission.

                                How is this different?

                                 

                                So basically anyone who understands (not necessarily agrees with) what B&N is doing is a self-righteous know it all?  Wake up and smell the coffee.  B&N is in business to make money.  They didn't get into the e-reader business to make you or me happy or for yours or my convenience.  They're in the e-reader business to sell e-books FROM THEIR STORE.  It is not such a hardship to purchase a 2GB card (which will hold approximately 2000 books for less than $5.  If that is a hardship then you shouldn't have bought the Nook in the first place.

                                Quite possibly you should sell your naivete and bottle it.  Then you could afford an SD card.


                                Heck, she could probably afford another NookColor!!!  :smileyvery-happy::smileyvery-happy::smileyvery-happy:

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                                  SirLoyne

                                  "It's the same thing as when you buy a PC or a MAC.  You're told how big the hard drive is BEFORE it's formatted and BEFORE the Operating System is installed and BEFORE all the cute little programs that the PC manufacturers install without your permission.How is this different?"

                                   

                                  It's different because formatting a hdd DOES NOT take up space. Formatting DELETES everything from a hard drive. How does deleting everything take up space? It doesn't, that's how. Storage manufacturers use base 10 math not binary when they say how big the hard dive, thumb drive, dvd, etc. is. There IS NOT 1000MB per GB, there's 1024. The whole formatting line is a lie, and people like you propagate the lie when you use it to make a point. If you want to know how big a hdd, or whatever, really is, multiply what they're selling by .9317. For example, my 500GB is really 465.85GB. It has nothing to do with my OS, formatting or anything else storage manufacturers care to use to justify the lie. It's math.

                                   

                                  "Quite possibly you should sell your naivete and bottle it."

                                   

                                  Advice you should take to heart yourself. By the way, it's naiveté, but you were close enough to make yet another point i guess.

                                   

                                    • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                      LarryOnLI

                                      SirLoyne wrote:

                                      "It's the same thing as when you buy a PC or a MAC.  You're told how big the hard drive is BEFORE it's formatted and BEFORE the Operating System is installed and BEFORE all the cute little programs that the PC manufacturers install without your permission.How is this different?"

                                       

                                      It's different because formatting a hdd DOES NOT take up space. Formatting DELETES everything from a hard drive. How does deleting everything take up space? It doesn't, that's how. Storage manufacturers use base 10 math not binary when they say how big the hard dive, thumb drive, dvd, etc. is. There IS NOT 1000MB per GB, there's 1024. The whole formatting line is a lie, and people like you propagate the lie when you use it to make a point. If you want to know how big a hdd, or whatever, really is, multiply what they're selling by .9317. For example, my 500GB is really 465.85GB. It has nothing to do with my OS, formatting or anything else storage manufacturers care to use to justify the lie. It's math.

                                       

                                      "Quite possibly you should sell your naivete and bottle it."

                                       

                                      Advice you should take to heart yourself. By the way, it's naiveté, but you were close enough to make yet another point i guess.

                                       


                                      Formatting DOES take up space. Formatted capacity of a disk drive is less than raw physical capacity. Depending on the type of file system it can be much less.

                                       

                                      A formatted disk with file system reserves space for the volume table of contents, directory structure, journal (if a journaled file system), spare blocks, etc.

                                       

                                      Larry G.

                                      Lead System Administrator

                                      Lead Storage Administrator

                                       

                                        • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                          SirLoyne
                                          "Formatting DOES take up space. Formatted capacity of a disk drive is less than raw physical capacity. Depending on the type of file system it can be much less."

                                          The formatted capacity is less because it's show as a binary value.

                                          1024 bytes x 1024 kilobytes x 1024 megabytes = 1 gigabyte. If you take a base 10 gigabyte and break it down as your OS sees it this is what you get. 1,000,000,000 bytes ÷ 1024 = 976562.5 Kilobytes ÷ 1024 = 953.67 Megabytes ÷ 1024 = .9313 Gigabytes. The raw physical capacity is shown in base 10 math. 1000 x 1000 x 1000. There are not 1,000,000,000 bytes to a GB to your OS, there are 1,073,741,824.

                                           

                                          See here.  Disc Capacity 101

                                           

                                          "A formatted disk with file system reserves space for the volume table of contents, directory structure, journal (if a journaled file system), spare blocks, etc."

                                           

                                          This amount is trivial.

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                    • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                                      I would like to point out when you purchase a Computer it tells you that your hard drive is xxxGB's, You never have access to xxx as part of this is occupied by the OS(operating system for you non tech types) you are running.

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                                      I noticed a lot people were annoyed with the fact that the files are hidden on the NE2 so they couldn't create a backup - why not just go to your Nook Library and download the files from there? 

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                                          Jadescythe wrote:

                                          I noticed a lot people were annoyed with the fact that the files are hidden on the NE2 so they couldn't create a backup - why not just go to your Nook Library and download the files from there? 


                                           Because not all B&N content will download that way; there is no way to get some of it onto your computer to backup other than transfering it directly from the device.

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                                              LarryOnLI

                                              Nallia wrote:

                                              Jadescythe wrote:

                                              I noticed a lot people were annoyed with the fact that the files are hidden on the NE2 so they couldn't create a backup - why not just go to your Nook Library and download the files from there? 


                                               Because not all B&N content will download that way; there is no way to get some of it onto your computer to backup other than transfering it directly from the device.


                                              @Nallia,

                                               

                                              What content can not be downloaded directly? I'm not doubting you, I've just never seen it.

                                               

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                                                  LarryOnLI wrote:

                                                  Nallia wrote:

                                                  Jadescythe wrote:

                                                  I noticed a lot people were annoyed with the fact that the files are hidden on the NE2 so they couldn't create a backup - why not just go to your Nook Library and download the files from there? 


                                                   Because not all B&N content will download that way; there is no way to get some of it onto your computer to backup other than transfering it directly from the device.


                                                  @Nallia,

                                                   

                                                  What content can not be downloaded directly? I'm not doubting you, I've just never seen it.

                                                   


                                                  Not Nalia, but...

                                                  There are some things for the nook color. The kids read to me books, I think. And apps. Not sure what else. For the N2E (and N1E, too), there are some magazines that won't download to your computer. The only one I know of for sure is The New Yorker, because I had a subscription to that. The other magazines I have issues of download fine, so I'm not sure how many e-ink magazines are effected by this. Anything that can't be read using the PC (or Mac, i assume) software can't be downloaded to your computer. Not even using the download button on the website. In those cases you have to plug in your nook and copy directly from the device to make a backup copy. Obviously, this wouldn't work if you can;t see the files on the device.

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                                                      keriflur

                                                      frantastk wrote:

                                                      LarryOnLI wrote:

                                                      Nallia wrote:

                                                      Jadescythe wrote:

                                                      I noticed a lot people were annoyed with the fact that the files are hidden on the NE2 so they couldn't create a backup - why not just go to your Nook Library and download the files from there? 


                                                       Because not all B&N content will download that way; there is no way to get some of it onto your computer to backup other than transfering it directly from the device.


                                                      @Nallia,

                                                       

                                                      What content can not be downloaded directly? I'm not doubting you, I've just never seen it.

                                                       


                                                      Not Nalia, but...

                                                      There are some things for the nook color. The kids read to me books, I think. And apps. Not sure what else. For the N2E (and N1E, too), there are some magazines that won't download to your computer. The only one I know of for sure is The New Yorker, because I had a subscription to that. The other magazines I have issues of download fine, so I'm not sure how many e-ink magazines are effected by this. Anything that can't be read using the PC (or Mac, i assume) software can't be downloaded to your computer. Not even using the download button on the website. In those cases you have to plug in your nook and copy directly from the device to make a backup copy. Obviously, this wouldn't work if you can;t see the files on the device.


                                                      I haven't done any recent comparisons, but it used to be that occasionally the files that downloaded to the computer and the files that downloaded to the nook were different, as if B&N was customizing some files for different devices/applications.

                                                       

                                                      Also, if you have a mac, the files that download to the computer are .pdb files, which don't work with the N2E.

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                                                          Ya_Ya

                                                          keriflur wrote:
                                                           

                                                          Also, if you have a mac, the files that download to the computer are .pdb files, which don't work with the N2E.


                                                          The files that come in on NOOK for Mac and NOOKStudy for Mac are .epubs now.  Direct downloads are still .pdb.  (Some have issues with NOOK/NOOKStudy because they won't run on older versions of OSX, though.)

                                                           

                                                          I think this is the main issue that should be fixed - all content sold by B&N should be downloadable by consumers to their home computers.  I don't care if we have to install software or not in order to do that, but I should be able to download all of my content bought from B&N to my computer, whether or not I can read it on my computer.

                                                           

                                                          I don't think it's unfair for B&N to assume that all users are using the latest software on whatever computer hardware they have - ie NOOK only runing on latest OSX or on Windows 7 - but some do.

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                                                      Auto makers do the same thing with the spacing of the bolt patterns on their wheels.

                                                       

                                                      I wonder what percentage of Nook owners actually have 1000 or more ebooks to put on their device.  I've been buying ebooks regularly for about 14 years and am nowhere that number.

                                                       

                                                      I do agree that the BN congent on the Nook should be available to the user. 

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                                                          cbtengr wrote:

                                                          Auto makers do the same thing with the spacing of the bolt patterns on their wheels.

                                                           

                                                          I wonder what percentage of Nook owners actually have 1000 or more ebooks to put on their device.  I've been buying ebooks regularly for about 14 years and am nowhere that number.

                                                           

                                                          I do agree that the BN congent on the Nook should be available to the user. 


                                                          I don't know. I've been collecting e-books since last June and I have around 500. They aren't all on my nook, but after I read a book I like to keep it on the device in case I want to go back to something in it. I also keep anything on the device I think I may want to read next and usually have about 4-5 books going at a time. I think I have about 200 books on the device now. I can see someone having thousands of books if they've been reading and buying e-books for years. I certainly have bought thousands of dtbs over the years.

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                                                            romsfuulynn

                                                            cbtengr wrote:

                                                            Auto makers do the same thing with the spacing of the bolt patterns on their wheels.

                                                             

                                                            I wonder what percentage of Nook owners actually have 1000 or more ebooks to put on their device.  I've been buying ebooks regularly for about 14 years and am nowhere that number.

                                                             

                                                            I do agree that the BN congent on the Nook should be available to the user. 



                                                            Raises hand.

                                                            455 owned items and 105 archived items from Barnes & Noble

                                                            989 owned items from fictionwise.com.

                                                            589 owned items from ereader.com

                                                            316 owned items from Baen (webscriptions.net)

                                                            plus an assortment of stuff from places like booksonboard, ellora's cave, samhain, bookviewcafe, smashwords, etc.

                                                             

                                                            (The 455 owned items from BN includes about 70 preordered books.)

                                                             

                                                            It is of course possible that I also might have books from other sources not appropriate for discussion here.

                                                             

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                                                                romsfuulynn wrote:

                                                                Raises hand.

                                                                455 owned items and 105 archived items from Barnes & Noble

                                                                989 owned items from fictionwise.com.

                                                                589 owned items from ereader.com

                                                                316 owned items from Baen (webscriptions.net)

                                                                plus an assortment of stuff from places like booksonboard, ellora's cave, samhain, bookviewcafe, smashwords, etc.

                                                                 

                                                                (The 455 owned items from BN includes about 70 preordered books.)

                                                                 

                                                                It is of course possible that I also might have books from other sources not appropriate for discussion here.

                                                                 



                                                                That's amazing.  Have you actually read all those books?

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                                                          In regards to downloading from the Nook Library - I have yet to find anything I can't download directly to my computer - but I don't have a lot of magazine subscriptions or a Nook Color.

                                                           

                                                          Also I have a Mac and when i download a file - it downloads in the epub format - not sure why someone stated mac only downloads in pdb format when it doesn't.  - just my two cents :smileyhappy:

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                                                              Ya_Ya

                                                              Jadescythe wrote:

                                                               

                                                              Also I have a Mac and when i download a file - it downloads in the epub format - not sure why someone stated mac only downloads in pdb format when it doesn't.  - just my two cents :smileyhappy:


                                                              This isn't true for most users.  Most [actually every Mac user who has spoken up other than you] get .pdbs when they directly download from the website.  Only through NOOKStudy or NOOK for Mac do they get .epubs, unless something has changed in the last ten days or so.

                                                               

                                                              This will be a welcome discovery to many of them, if it works for them.

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                                                                  Ya_Ya wrote:

                                                                  Jadescythe wrote:

                                                                   

                                                                  Also I have a Mac and when i download a file - it downloads in the epub format - not sure why someone stated mac only downloads in pdb format when it doesn't.  - just my two cents :smileyhappy:


                                                                  This isn't true for most users.  Most [actually every Mac user who has spoken up other than you] get .pdbs when they directly download from the website.  Only through NOOKStudy or NOOK for Mac do they get .epubs, unless something has changed in the last ten days or so.

                                                                   

                                                                  This will be a welcome discovery to many of them, if it works for them.


                                                                  Nothing has changed here on a Mac, if I download directly from B&N to my computer they download as .pdbs. The only way around it is if I download to NookStudy or Nook for Mac.

                                                                   

                                                                  I'd LOVE to know it works otherwise for Jadescythe! :smileyhappy:

                                                                    • Download format on a Mac

                                                                      Serendip wrote:

                                                                      Nothing has changed here on a Mac, if I download directly from B&N to my computer they download as .pdbs. The only way around it is if I download to NookStudy or Nook for Mac.

                                                                       

                                                                      I'd LOVE to know it works otherwise for Jadescythe! :smileyhappy:


                                                                       

                                                                      Perhaps it depends how you download. I like to keep copies of my books, so going to the "My Nook Library" page on the B&N web site gives me a download link. Clicking that link downloads an .epub file, which I then shove into Calibre.

                                                                       

                                                                      EDITED TO ADD: Correction: some titles are epub. I just now got a .pdb as well. But it's clear that .pdb is not exclusively downloadable on Macs. The recent free "L.A. Noire" title came down as a .pdb file.

                                                                       

                                                                      I do not have the Nook software installed on my Mac: this is just downloading the book normally through the web site.

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                                                                          mpclemens wrote:

                                                                          Serendip wrote:

                                                                          Nothing has changed here on a Mac, if I download directly from B&N to my computer they download as .pdbs. The only way around it is if I download to NookStudy or Nook for Mac.

                                                                           

                                                                          I'd LOVE to know it works otherwise for Jadescythe! :smileyhappy:


                                                                           

                                                                          Perhaps it depends how you download. I like to keep copies of my books, so going to the "My Nook Library" page on the B&N web site gives me a download link. Clicking that link downloads an .epub file, which I then shove into Calibre.

                                                                           

                                                                          EDITED TO ADD: Correction: some titles are epub. I just now got a .pdb as well. But it's clear that .pdb is not exclusively downloadable on Macs. The recent free "L.A. Noire" title came down as a .pdb file.

                                                                           

                                                                          I do not have the Nook software installed on my Mac: this is just downloading the book normally through the web site.


                                                                          I have 84 B&N books in My Nook Library... downloading any of them directly by clicking the "Download" button, downloads them as .pdb, and not as .epub.

                                                                           

                                                                          According to B&N, and these forums, the only way to download them as .epubs is through NookStudy or Nook for Mac. That allows me to keep copies on my computer of all of my books, as .epub books, and not have to convert them through Calibre.

                                                                           

                                                                          Would you give an example of a book that DID come through as .epub? I'd love to be able to ask B&N why it doesn't always work, when it CAN work! Thank you! :smileyhappy:

                                                                            • Re: Download format on a Mac

                                                                              Serendip wrote:

                                                                               

                                                                              I have 84 B&N books in My Nook Library... downloading any of them directly by clicking the "Download" button, downloads them as .pdb, and not as .epub.

                                                                               

                                                                              According to B&N, and these forums, the only way to download them as .epubs is through NookStudy or Nook for Mac. That allows me to keep copies on my computer of all of my books, as .epub books, and not have to convert them through Calibre.

                                                                               

                                                                              Would you give an example of a book that DID come through as .epub? I'd love to be able to ask B&N why it doesn't always work, when it CAN work! Thank you! :smileyhappy:


                                                                              I'm away from my Mac at the moment, but when I first got my N2E, I went ahead and downloaded the three free titles that ship with it (Dracula, Pride and Prejudice, Little Women) so I could start learning how to use Calibre, and so I'd have a backup in case I did something stupid. :-) All three downloaded as .epub.

                                                                               

                                                                              I'm on a Linux computer now, and grabbed the book that came through as .pdb:

                                                                               

                                                                              L.A. Noire 

                                                                              Sure enough, the downloader web site sends me an .epub this time. The trick, then, may be to trick the B&N web site into thinking you're not on a Mac -- I'm sure there's a browser plug-in for this somewhere.

                                                                                • Re: Download format on a Mac

                                                                                  mpclemens wrote:
                                                                                  [...]Sure enough, the downloader web site sends me an .epub this time. The trick, then, may be to trick the B&N web site into thinking you're not on a Mac -- I'm sure there's a browser plug-in for this somewhere.

                                                                                  There is, and I wrote up a post about it since this seems worthy of its own topic. Short version: use software to lie to the B&N web site, or download from a non-Mac.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  • Re: Download format on a Mac

                                                                                    mpclemens wrote:

                                                                                    I'm away from my Mac at the moment, but when I first got my N2E, I went ahead and downloaded the three free titles that ship with it (Dracula, Pride and Prejudice, Little Women) so I could start learning how to use Calibre, and so I'd have a backup in case I did something stupid. :-) All three downloaded as .epub.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I'm on a Linux computer now, and grabbed the book that came through as .pdb:

                                                                                     

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                                                                                    Just an FYI in case you didn't know, the free books B&N gives you when you sign up for an account don't have drm, so calibre can see and convert them no problem. Most (if not all) other books you get from B&N calibre will not be able to convert due to the drm on them. Calibre will also not be able to view them, though you can transfer them into cailbre. I do. I use calibre as a catalogue and backup of all my books, whether or not they can be viewed through calibre.

                                                                          • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                                                            LarryOnLI

                                                                            Downloads on the Mac used to be PDB format only.

                                                                             

                                                                            An earlier version of the B&N software for Mac wasn't able to read ePub and that was why they downloaded PDB files when they detected you were on a Mac.

                                                                             

                                                                            The latest version of NOOK for MacOS now reads ePub files and that is what gets downloaded to your Mac now.

                                                                             

                                                                            This illustrates a problem with searching for NOOK help online.

                                                                             

                                                                            Old outdated information hangs around forever. The procedure to un-freeze a stuck NOOK used to involve plugging it in with the battery removed. B&N stopped recommending this procedure with the release of software version 1.3 or 1.4 (I forget which exactly) but people searching this board still find it and follow it.

                                                                             

                                                                              • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                                                                                LarryOnLI wrote:

                                                                                Downloads on the Mac used to be PDB format only.

                                                                                 

                                                                                An earlier version of the B&N software for Mac wasn't able to read ePub and that was why they downloaded PDB files when they detected you were on a Mac.

                                                                                 

                                                                                The latest version of NOOK for MacOS now reads ePub files and that is what gets downloaded to your Mac now.

                                                                                 

                                                                                This illustrates a problem with searching for NOOK help online.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Old outdated information hangs around forever. The procedure to un-freeze a stuck NOOK used to involve plugging it in with the battery removed. B&N stopped recommending this procedure with the release of software version 1.3 or 1.4 (I forget which exactly) but people searching this board still find it and follow it.

                                                                                 


                                                                                - I never had a problem reading epubs on the original BN reader for Mac. I've seen this given as the reason for the pdb restriction on Mac downloads, but have never seen it confirmed by BN.

                                                                                 

                                                                                - Direct downloads to a Mac are still in pdb format.

                                                                                 

                                                                                - The Nook for Mac appears to only work on Snow Leopard (10.6.x). Users of Leopard (10.5.x) still have the problem. There are no system requirements posted, but a number of Mac users on earlier versions report that it will not install.

                                                                                 

                                                                                - Nookstudy for Mac does list Snow Leopard as required.

                                                                                 

                                                                                - I'm not sure what the "latest" official cure for a frozen N1E is, but the process you describe always works for me. It has version 1.5.

                                                                                • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                                                                                   


                                                                                  LarryOnLI wrote:

                                                                                  Downloads on the Mac used to be PDB format only.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  An earlier version of the B&N software for Mac wasn't able to read ePub and that was why they downloaded PDB files when they detected you were on a Mac.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  The latest version of NOOK for MacOS now reads ePub files and that is what gets downloaded to your Mac now.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  This illustrates a problem with searching for NOOK help online.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Old outdated information hangs around forever. The procedure to un-freeze a stuck NOOK used to involve plugging it in with the battery removed. B&N stopped recommending this procedure with the release of software version 1.3 or 1.4 (I forget which exactly) but people searching this board still find it and follow it.

                                                                                   


                                                                                  It is NOT "old outdated information" - I am using a Mac, and have been the entire time I have had a Nook, and NookColor.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Downloading ebooks to my Mac came through as .pdb, NOT as .epub. So, I downloaded NookStudy for Mac, since as you stated, Nook for Mac still downloaded them as .epub, until the recent update for it. 

                                                                                   

                                                                                  If I download directly, by clicking on the DOWNLOAD button in "My Nook Library" ALL BOOKS download as .pdb.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  If I do not download, but SYNC with either NookStudy for Mac, or Nook for Mac, they then sync and download as .epub, through those apps, only. If I go to "My Nook Library" and click the DOWNLOAD button to download directly to my Mac, bypassing the Nook apps, they STILL save as .pdb.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  There is nothing OUTDATED about this. It is what happens now.

                                                                                   

                                                                                   

                                                                                    • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                                                                      LarryOnLI

                                                                                      @cbtengr,

                                                                                       

                                                                                      The current version of NOOK for Mac downloads .epub files. The earlier B&N reader for Mac was able to read .epub as well. In between there were versions of the reader for Mac that only read .pdb and this was/is the reason that direct downloads to the Mac are in the PDB format.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I never stated that the latest NOOK for MacOS worked on older versions of the O/S, I've also heard that it won't work on PowerPC as well.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      B&N, via our old board administrator MichaelV, officially discouraged plugging in the original NOOK with the battery removed a number of releases of the firmware ago. I am happy that this procedure still works for you. I have never had a NOOK freeze on me so have never needed to try it.

                                                                                       

                                                                                        • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                                                                          keriflur

                                                                                          Michael-V  was not an overly reliable source for information.  I'm not convinced he ever even owned a nook.  Heck, I'm not convinced he was an actual person, not just an account.  He just provided press releases from B&N and did a lot of copy/pasting. :smileysad:

                                                                                           

                                                                                          I'm glad to have Sam.  She's much better.

                                                                                          • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                                                                                            LarryOnLI wrote:

                                                                                            @cbtengr,

                                                                                             

                                                                                            The current version of NOOK for Mac downloads .epub files. The earlier B&N reader for Mac was able to read .epub as well. In between there were versions of the reader for Mac that only read .pdb and this was/is the reason that direct downloads to the Mac are in the PDB format.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            I never stated that the latest NOOK for MacOS worked on older versions of the O/S, I've also heard that it won't work on PowerPC as well.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            B&N, via our old board administrator MichaelV, officially discouraged plugging in the original NOOK with the battery removed a number of releases of the firmware ago. I am happy that this procedure still works for you. I have never had a NOOK freeze on me so have never needed to try it.

                                                                                             


                                                                                            I mentioned the apparent OS restriction on Nook for Mac because it is not shown on the BN site, not because of anything you said.
                                                                                    • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                                                                                      I'd like to stand up for VWJ (Bryan) on this one. I can't believe how many people here have given him a hard time about bringing up such a basic issue.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      When researching the Nook, I read a lot of articles about it, and never once, did I happen to come across the statement about memory usage. Everything I read stated that it had 2 gigs of built in memory. Based on my long history of technology purchases, systems often take less than half of the memory resources. The Nook Simple Touch takes up roughly 88% of available memory.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      After plugging my new Nook into my computer, I was shocked to notice that I had only 240 Mb available. I came to this site for the first time, to determine that I wasn't losing my marbles.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      As far as I am concerned, Bryan is doing every prospective buyer a favor by indicating details about this product which may not be discovered until after purchase. This forum is simply another source where people may stumble upon the information prior to purchase, and therefore not be taken aback by the lack of available memory.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I find it better to have multiple sources to inform consumers about an issue than to try to squash all criticism and have a, "You should have done more research when you bought it" attitude. Announcing discoveries, good and bad, about a product -- helps people conduct that research.

                                                                                        • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                                                                          keriflur

                                                                                          MrTwyst wrote:

                                                                                          I'd like to stand up for VWJ (Bryan) on this one. I can't believe how many people here have given him a hard time about bringing up such a basic issue.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          When researching the Nook, I read a lot of articles about it, and never once, did I happen to come across the statement about memory usage. Everything I read stated that it had 2 gigs of built in memory. Based on my long history of technology purchases, systems often take less than half of the memory resources. The Nook Simple Touch takes up roughly 88% of available memory.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          After plugging my new Nook into my computer, I was shocked to notice that I had only 240 Mb available. I came to this site for the first time, to determine that I wasn't losing my marbles.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          As far as I am concerned, Bryan is doing every prospective buyer a favor by indicating details about this product which may not be discovered until after purchase. This forum is simply another source where people may stumble upon the information prior to purchase, and therefore not be taken aback by the lack of available memory.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          I find it better to have multiple sources to inform consumers about an issue than to try to squash all criticism and have a, "You should have done more research when you bought it" attitude. Announcing discoveries, good and bad, about a product -- helps people conduct that research.



                                                                                          This is incorrect.  The system actually only takes up 50% of the memory.  Of the remaining 1GB, 75% is reserved for downloaded content (books you buy from B&N).  This space is on a separate partition that you cannot see or access.  So it's not that you only have 12.5% of the 2GB available.  You have 50% of the 2GB available for content, you just don't get to choose how you use all of it.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          All that said, I DON'T AGREE WITH B&N PUTTING DOWNLOADED CONTENT ON A SEPARATE PARTITION.  In fact, I hate it.  I've posted this on this forum a number of times and recently completed a B&N feedback survey where I raised this issue directly to B&N.  As a consumer, I only have so much power, but I'm using all of it to convince them to change this policy.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                                                                            RHWright

                                                                                            While I'm in agreement with most of the basic principles here, especially being able to see and back up all your files and there not being a hard partition between downloaded and sideloaded content...

                                                                                             


                                                                                            MrTwyst wrote:

                                                                                            When researching the Nook, I read a lot of articles about it, and never once, did I happen to come across the statement about memory usage.



                                                                                            Articles are fine, for what they are worth. But they are secondhand information and best, can have inadvertent mistakes or omissions, and at worst have a biased perspective.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            In your (and by "your" I mean the general person, not MrTwyst or anyone one in particular) it is best to go to the source as part of your research.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            B&N's own specs clearly state:

                                                                                             

                                                                                            Memory
                                                                                            • 2GB***—Holds up to 1,000 books
                                                                                            • Slip in a micro SD card to add your personal files
                                                                                            • Expandable microSD† card up to 32GB

                                                                                            ***Actual formatted capacity may be less. Approximately 1GB available to store content, of which up to 750MB may be reserved for content purchased from the Barnes & Noble NOOK Store.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            While I agree "may" is a bit of a prevarication, it is still pretty clear: If you buy a N2E, you may be limited to ~250MB of on-board memory for non-B&N content. The fact that the chance has now risen to 100% is in many ways immaterial.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            Yes, B&N should be clearer in their language in the specs. You won't scare us all away if you say of the "2GB" only ~250MB will be available for other content.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            If the articles that you reviewed left this important proviso out, I'd blame them for not being more thorough in their review. If you didn't bother to double check their "facts" against actual specs and vice versa, I'd say your due diligence was lacking (if on-board memory is an issue for you).

                                                                                             

                                                                                            Now, if they were playing these tricks and there was no way to expand the memory with an SD card, I might have some sympathy for the issue.

                                                                                          • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                                                                                            I agree with you, for the simple fact this is supposed to be an evolution of the old model. However, not only they removed the mp3 player, but 'castrated' the memory. Since one of the advantages over the Kindle is the ability to read my local library's epub files, it's funny they restrict exactly that storage.

                                                                                            • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                                                                              SGDALLAS

                                                                                              I have read all the replies about the amount that is reserved for Barnes and Noble content.  That is understandable.......EXCEPT....my simple touch is out of space as well ( just at 240MB ) and I HAVE NO CONTENT THAT WAS NOT PURCHASED FROM BARNES AND NOBLE  !!! 

                                                                                               

                                                                                              So....is there space on this thing or not.  If they wanted to just make 240 MB available then they should have said so.  It is certainly not that I can't afford an SD card.  The point is that I should NOT have to BUY ONE YET !!!! 

                                                                                                • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                                                                                  keriflur

                                                                                                  SGDALLAS wrote:

                                                                                                  I have read all the replies about the amount that is reserved for Barnes and Noble content.  That is understandable.......EXCEPT....my simple touch is out of space as well ( just at 240MB ) and I HAVE NO CONTENT THAT WAS NOT PURCHASED FROM BARNES AND NOBLE  !!! 

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  So....is there space on this thing or not.  If they wanted to just make 240 MB available then they should have said so.  It is certainly not that I can't afford an SD card.  The point is that I should NOT have to BUY ONE YET !!!! 


                                                                                                  If you are seeing the out-of-space message on your nook that means that you've used the 750mb on the internal storage.  So that means you've probably got hundreds of books on your nook.  If you don't have hundreds of books on there, you might want to take it in to a store and have them take a look.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  If you've got 400+books on there, you probably should archive and sideload those books to an SD card anyway, just because if you get a software update or have a problem with the nook and have to do a reset you'll have to re-download all of those books, but if they're on an SD card you won't.

                                                                                                  • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                                                                                    RHWright

                                                                                                    SGDALLAS wrote:

                                                                                                    I have read all the replies about the amount that is reserved for Barnes and Noble content.  That is understandable.......EXCEPT....my simple touch is out of space as well ( just at 240MB ) and I HAVE NO CONTENT THAT WAS NOT PURCHASED FROM BARNES AND NOBLE  !!! 

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    So....is there space on this thing or not.  If they wanted to just make 240 MB available then they should have said so.  It is certainly not that I can't afford an SD card.  The point is that I should NOT have to BUY ONE YET !!!! 


                                                                                                    Affordability shouldn't even be a factor. Cards with perfectly adequate specs for use in the N2E are available for $10 or less. As to having to buy one, the internal partition is capable of holding hundreds of books. Since its internal memory will always (barring a technological miracle) be finite, the only thing dictating whether you need an expansion card or not is your own library management.

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    Simply put: keep more titles archived.

                                                                                                  • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                                                                                                    Just spent the last few hours trying to figure out what my nook has only 240MB of memory. Thankfully I found your rant.

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    B&N, I am disappointed. Why would you advertise 2GB of space when you know damn well that half of the total storage is off the table when you take the nook out of the package? Granted, you do state on your website "2GB2 Holds up to 1,000 books (1GB for content; 750 MB reserved for B&N content)", but the large majority of people who buy your product probably couldn't even define a MB, or even figure out what 250MB of information actually is.

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    When I buy a computer, I understand some of my harddrive will be used for the operating system, but I certainly don't expect to be left with 1/8 of the storage space that was advertised. Same goes for other devices like iPods and smartphones.

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    My point is, why was 2GB the starting point for the storage specification? Why should you even need to make a side note that half of the total storage is already taken before the product leaves its packaging? 12.5% of 2GB is available to the user for personal storage. That's pretty slim.

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                     *Nook is great though, just surprised when I checked my available storage space*

                                                                                                      • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                                                                                        geertm

                                                                                                        Asac wrote:

                                                                                                        Just spent the last few hours trying to figure out what my nook has only 240MB of memory. Thankfully I found your rant.

                                                                                                         

                                                                                                        B&N, I am disappointed. Why would you advertise 2GB of space when you know damn well that half of the total storage is off the table when you take the nook out of the package? Granted, you do state on your website "2GB2 Holds up to 1,000 books (1GB for content; 750 MB reserved for B&N content)", but the large majority of people who buy your product probably couldn't even define a MB, or even figure out what 250MB of information actually is.

                                                                                                         

                                                                                                        When I buy a computer, I understand some of my harddrive will be used for the operating system, but I certainly don't expect to be left with 1/8 of the storage space that was advertised. Same goes for other devices like iPods and smartphones.

                                                                                                         

                                                                                                        My point is, why was 2GB the starting point for the storage specification? Why should you even need to make a side note that half of the total storage is already taken before the product leaves its packaging? 12.5% of 2GB is available to the user for personal storage. That's pretty slim.

                                                                                                         

                                                                                                         *Nook is great though, just surprised when I checked my available storage space*


                                                                                                        a. You bought a store branded ereader. The reason that ereader is so cheap is because B&N wants/hopes  to sell you content. So limiting the amount of space avaiable for B&N content is not a good idea from a business point of view.

                                                                                                        b. Price for a 2GB micro-SD card at Amazon: $0.99 to $5.

                                                                                                          • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                                                                                                            geertm wrote:

                                                                                                            Asac wrote:

                                                                                                            Just spent the last few hours trying to figure out what my nook has only 240MB of memory. Thankfully I found your rant.

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                            B&N, I am disappointed. Why would you advertise 2GB of space when you know damn well that half of the total storage is off the table when you take the nook out of the package? Granted, you do state on your website "2GB2 Holds up to 1,000 books (1GB for content; 750 MB reserved for B&N content)", but the large majority of people who buy your product probably couldn't even define a MB, or even figure out what 250MB of information actually is.

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                            When I buy a computer, I understand some of my harddrive will be used for the operating system, but I certainly don't expect to be left with 1/8 of the storage space that was advertised. Same goes for other devices like iPods and smartphones.

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                            My point is, why was 2GB the starting point for the storage specification? Why should you even need to make a side note that half of the total storage is already taken before the product leaves its packaging? 12.5% of 2GB is available to the user for personal storage. That's pretty slim.

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                             *Nook is great though, just surprised when I checked my available storage space*


                                                                                                            a. You bought a store branded ereader. The reason that ereader is so cheap is because B&N wants/hopes  to sell you content. So limiting the amount of space avaiable for B&N content is not a good idea from a business point of view.

                                                                                                            b. Price for a 2GB micro-SD card at Amazon: $0.99 to $5.


                                                                                                            Also why is it necessary to carry all of your books with you at all times?  I've never understood that.

                                                                                                              • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                                                                                                                Why would you want to divide up your library and fuss with the back-and-forth of file transfers on a regular basis, when you have the option to carry your whole library with you? I never could understand that. :smileywink:

                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                (Just sayin' - different strokes for different folks, Alan.)

                                                                                                                  • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                                                                                                                    ilexq wrote:

                                                                                                                    Why would you want to divide up your library and fuss with the back-and-forth of file transfers on a regular basis, when you have the option to carry your whole library with you? I never could understand that. :smileywink:

                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                    (Just sayin' - different strokes for different folks, Alan.)


                                                                                                                    I absolutely agree that what works for some doesn't work for others.  I would probably keep more of my books on my N2E if the shelving system was better.  As it stands now, though, if I had all my books on my N2E I probably couldn't find anything unless I knew specifically what I was looking for.

                                                                                                                    • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                                                                                                      keriflur

                                                                                                                      ilexq wrote:

                                                                                                                      Why would you want to divide up your library and fuss with the back-and-forth of file transfers on a regular basis, when you have the option to carry your whole library with you? I never could understand that. :smileywink:

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      (Just sayin' - different strokes for different folks, Alan.)


                                                                                                                      What you talkin' 'bout, Willis?

                                                                                                              • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                                                                                                                I don't what a lot of people are complaining about. Do you really have to have 1000 books on your nook, I have around 200 books on my Nook & I don't read all of them all at once. I usually have about 3 - 4 books that i read at the same time. If I ever get to 1000 books, it won't bother me at all to take some books off the Nook and replace them with the ones I want to read. Again do you really need to carry 1000 books around with you at once?

                                                                                                                • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                                                                                                                  Just felt the need to add my 2 cents here...

                                                                                                                  SAYING that the reeder holds "1000s of books" when it will hold no more than 200 is a blatant deception.

                                                                                                                  Especially when the reader has a micro SD port yet DOESNT LET YOU ACCESS it... Why Even Have the Port?!?!

                                                                                                                  Im tired of companies making Awesome hardware then packing it with softwear that snuffs all of its capabilities..

                                                                                                                  "Do you REALLY NEED 1000's of books on your ereader?"

                                                                                                                  YES, i DO. Isnt that the whole advantage of having an Ereader?? You can access your whole library on the go... Otherwise, it'd be like buying an Ipod that only holds 15 mp3s... "do you REALLY need your entire music collection on your Ipod?" The obvious answer is YES.. thats the Whole Idea.

                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                  Some people have a wide array of interests and have libraries to reflect those interests.

                                                                                                                  In an era when you can Easily store 32+ GIGS on a micro sd card, theres NO REASON for them to nerf the storage capacity like they did..

                                                                                                                  And they SERIOUSLY Wonder why people Root their devices?? BN, You Leave us No Choice BUT to root our devices when you use softwear to nerf them to death.

                                                                                                                    • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                                                                                                      Byteguy

                                                                                                                      You are confused.  This thread is about the Nook Simple Touch.

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      You can access the SD card.  I do it every day.  Every single one of my books is on the SD card.  The only limit is that the max size card it will read is 32GB (hey, I have a camera that won't read anything over 1GB, it's so old).

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      It can easily hold 1,000 books.  It all depends on the book.  Some are huge, some are small, some take almost no room at all.  Even the 240MBs of user-memory in the base machine can hold a ton. I just took a look at a bunch of books on mine.  They were about 200K each.  That's over 1,000 in the 240MB partition alone.  I had a 2GB card that I wasn't using and put that in my Nook.  That's 10,000 books (if I did my math sort-of right).

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      If you happen to be talking about a different Nook, you might want to complain in THAT forum instead.  Us "Simples" have plenty of room.

                                                                                                                    • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY

                                                                                                                      I discovered this thread after buying my nook Simple Touch (I already have a Gen 1 Nook) and was really surprised at the "phan boyz" approach of some of the responses.

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      I expected 2GB (after some overhead) for books, but to only have 250MB for sideloading books is a disgrace. Restricting your customers this way shows a complete lack of respect and is very short sighted. I know that B&N are in it for the money. But I am a customer and expect to have some flexibility in the product I buy. B&N surely know that their customers can (and I will now) jailbreak their device to get around this artificial and purely commercial limit.

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      I now expect to be flamed for my anti B&N views, but I've worked in IT for over 20yrs so please don't try and say I have to compare to a PC loading it's OS. This is the view 15yrs back, but not now.

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      Come on B&N, treat your customers fairly and remove this artifical limit. If you want to get your customers to buy from you. Price your books accordingly and don't put us into a walled garden!

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      DACC

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                        • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                                                                                                          keriflur

                                                                                                                          DACC wrote:

                                                                                                                          I discovered this thread after buying my nook Simple Touch (I already have a Gen 1 Nook) and was really surprised at the "phan boyz" approach of some of the responses.

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          I expected 2GB (after some overhead) for books, but to only have 250MB for sideloading books is a disgrace. Restricting your customers this way shows a complete lack of respect and is very short sighted. I know that B&N are in it for the money. But I am a customer and expect to have some flexibility in the product I buy. B&N surely know that their customers can (and I will now) jailbreak their device to get around this artificial and purely commercial limit.

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          I now expect to be flamed for my anti B&N views, but I've worked in IT for over 20yrs so please don't try and say I have to compare to a PC loading it's OS. This is the view 15yrs back, but not now.

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          Come on B&N, treat your customers fairly and remove this artifical limit. If you want to get your customers to buy from you. Price your books accordingly and don't put us into a walled garden!

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          DACC

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                           


                                                                                                                          Two things -

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          First off, the specs are very clear on how much storage you have for what, and how the nook works in this respect.  So, if you didn't do your research before you bought the device, that's on you, not B&N.

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          Second, I (and most others, as far as I can tell) agree with you that siloing the books is a bad idea.  The real problem isn't that you only have a small amount of space for sideloading, it's that you can't use that space for downloads if you have a large library.  The sideloading problem is an easy fix - spend $5 (or less) on a micro-SD card and load thousands of books on it.  Much easier than rooting (android devices are rooted, apple devices are jailbroken).  But the other problem - having a library that's larger than the storage space - that's a much bigger issue.  Regardless, because the storage areas are on separate partitions, the only way to change this is via repartitioning, and the storage space is so small to begin with I'm not sure it's worth the effort IMO.  An SD card is going to be a much simpler solution to your problem.

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                                                                                                                            kamas716

                                                                                                                            DACC wrote:

                                                                                                                            I discovered this thread after buying my nook Simple Touch (I already have a Gen 1 Nook) and was really surprised at the "phan boyz" approach of some of the responses.

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                            I expected 2GB (after some overhead) for books, but to only have 250MB for sideloading books is a disgrace. Restricting your customers this way shows a complete lack of respect and is very short sighted. I know that B&N are in it for the money. But I am a customer and expect to have some flexibility in the product I buy. B&N surely know that their customers can (and I will now) jailbreak their device to get around this artificial and purely commercial limit.

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                            I now expect to be flamed for my anti B&N views, but I've worked in IT for over 20yrs so please don't try and say I have to compare to a PC loading it's OS. This is the view 15yrs back, but not now.

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                            Come on B&N, treat your customers fairly and remove this artifical limit. If you want to get your customers to buy from you. Price your books accordingly and don't put us into a walled garden!

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                            DACC

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                             


                                                                                                                            You've got a few of things going on here.

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                            1) The Nook is partitioned into B&N downloaded content and sideloaded content.  The sideloaded content is limited to 250MB.  This is clearly stated in the specs ("1GB for content; 750 MB reserved for B&N content"), if you didn't check into what you were buying beforehand that's your fault. If you need more than the 250MB for sideloading, there is a really cheap and easy fix - buy a microSD card and you can have up to 16X the amount of memory than comes with the device.

                                                                                                                            2) If you want to root your device, feel free to.  There are other people who aren't savvy enough to do that or who simply don't want to spend the time to do it and who purchase a device that meets their needs to begin with.  Or, they can go the easy way and buy a microSD card.

                                                                                                                            3) The NST is B&N's low end eReader.  It's not meant to be fancy or offer a bunch of options in and of itself.  The fact that there are cheap and easy work arounds for the memory issue as well as options to buy other devices with the specs you want I think is a plus for B&N.

                                                                                                                            4) The walled garden is an issue more tied into the publisher's demand for DRM than anything else.  The fact that B&N has made their walls pretty low is another plus for them.

                                                                                                                            5) The price of the eBooks is not always something they can control.  There are still publishers out there that are setting the prices for their books.  B&N might not always have the best price, and are pretty slow at dropping their prices to match other vendors, but their prices are usually competitive.  And, when they're not competitive, you can still buy from other vendors and load them onto your Nook device.

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                            Really, considering the flexibility that B&N has allowed, I think they are treating us pretty fairly.  Sure, things could improve (customer sevice seems to be lacking at times and they don't communicate very well sometimes), but overall I think their products are good and they treat their customers well.

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                          • Re: 2 GB NOOK SIMPLE TOUCH ONLY HAS 240MB OF MEMORY
                                                                                                                            This is probably one of the first things that buyers of the Nook will discover. I bought my Nook yesterday, and realised this problem within the first hour of getting to know my way around it. I see it as misleading, but not entirely surprising, and ultimately really not that much of a problem, since I intend rooting it anyway. Problem solved.
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                                                                                                                              This is probably one of the first things that buyers of the Nook will discover. I bought my Nook yesterday, and realised this problem within the first hour of getting to know my way around it. I see it as misleading, but not entirely surprising, and ultimately really not that much of a problem. From the outset I intended to add a 32GB memory card to the Nook, and since I have no interest in buying any books from B&N, the dedicated storage are along with all the other marketing drivel will be removed from my Nook when I root it.