16 Replies Latest reply on Mar 4, 2012 1:24 PM by The-Duke

    Our E-Book Sales on Amazon vs Barnes & Noble vs Apple

      Our E-Book Sales on Amazon vs Barnes & Noble vs Apple

       

      In September of 2011, as an experiment, I published several E-books on Amazon and (as of December 16, 2011) have sold nearly a thousand books. Not great--but appreciate the extra-income. "Ah, but what if I publish them on Apple and Barness and Noble?" I thought--maybe I would triple the income!

       

      So, I converted my best selling E-books and uploaded them to Barnes and Noble... and.... and .... AND!   A total waste of time.

       

      So far, we have sold -0- ebooks on Barnes and Noble.

       

      Compare: around 300 E-book sales a month on Amazon vs -0- E-Book sales on B & N.

       

      What about Apple? I average 1 sale a day. Yes, even Apple, which is not a book selling company, beats B & N.

       

      I suspect that Barnes and Noble will not be around in a few years. Clearly, they do not now how to sell books in this market place, and can't compete.

       

       

       

       

       

        • Re: Our E-Book Sales on Amazon vs Barnes & Noble vs Apple

          Sara,

           

          The variance in sales you report between the major sellers is not only in stark comparison but actually there is no comparison because one of them was "zero".

           

          If I may ask you a direct question; Do you believe this to be due to a difference between the selling power of these book sellers or do you believe there to be a "sales reporting issue" -- in other words, publishers who may be funding a financial recovery for a hurting book seller?

           

          This is a tough, straightfoward question but I would be grateful to know your answer!

           

          JimLow

            • Re: Our E-Book Sales on Amazon vs Barnes & Noble vs Apple
              JimLow,
              Please stop. There could possibly maybe be a reporting problem, there most likely isn't though. I've been reading this forum for most of the year now and your constant whining about the reporting being wrong has become such a nuisance that I don't want to read the forums anymore. Maybe you can take this to private email with B&N and not make 95% of the posts on here about JimLow's inability to sell books and why it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with reporting on every retailer's site. It's tiring.

              JimLow wrote:

              Sara,

               

              The variance in sales you report between the major sellers is not only in stark comparison but actually there is no comparison because one of them was "zero".

               

              If I may ask you a direct question; Do you believe this to be due to a difference between the selling power of these book sellers or do you believe there to be a "sales reporting issue" -- in other words, publishers who may be funding a financial recovery for a hurting book seller?

               

              This is a tough, straightfoward question but I would be grateful to know your answer!

               

              JimLow


               

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                  God help us, here we go again.

                   

                  SF50, You're not SaraStarlight are you? If you are, please let me know this because that's who the questions were directed at.

                   

                  "There might be a sales reporting problem"? -- did you not see the posts in which I gave link to all of the publishers who experienced a problem with sales reporting for the past year (37 threads and this was not all of them)?

                   

                  As far as my complaining for a year about sales reports issues, do you know what months in which I actually did this and how many months in-between my last posting about this there were (I welcome you to answer this specific, ahead of SaraStarlight, if you like)?

                   

                  SF50, I don't know who you are but if I may ask a favor -- please don't intercept and post before the publisher a post is directed at has opportunity to respond, unless a question is directed at you (please?). Are you possibly a Pubit! representative (this last question is of course to you specifically)?

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                      I'm not going to argue with you, I'm just going to flag every one of your spammy posts as spam, because that's what they've become when you post the same thing thread after thread after thread.
                      Read my prior post again, I never said you'd been whining for a year.
                      It's gotten sad seeing primarily you complain about how your stuff doesn't sell on here or Lulu and there must be reporting problems on here and on Lulu (and I imagine this thread exists by you on every retailer's forums) that says they have reporting problems, because people must be clawing to buy your $3.49 book that has less words than most erotica and is most likely comprised of information you can get off webmd; how could everyone not want it?
                      As for being a PubIt representative .. well if I were I couldn't have written most of this post, though I imagine you asked because you realize this is probably how they're feeling about you at this point.

                      JimLow wrote:

                      God help us, here we go again.

                       

                      SF50, You're not SaraStarlight are you? If you are, please let me know this because that's who the questions were directed at.

                       

                      "There might be a sales reporting problem"? -- did you not see the posts in which I gave link to all of the publishers who experienced a problem with sales reporting for the past year (37 threads and this was not all of them)?

                       

                      As far as my complaining for a year about sales reports issues, do you know what months in which I actually did this and how many months in-between my last posting about this there were (I welcome you to answer this specific, ahead of SaraStarlight, if you like)?

                       

                      SF50, I don't know who you are but if I may ask a favor -- please don't intercept and post before the publisher a post is directed at has opportunity to respond, unless a question is directed at you (please?). Are you possibly a Pubit! representative (this last question is of course to you specifically)?


                       

                  • Re: Our E-Book Sales on Amazon vs Barnes & Noble vs Apple

                    JimLow,

                     

                    I have no reason to suspect a "sales reporting issue" at B & N. My real problem is with Amazon, which pays 30% royalty on at least half the books I have sold; even though the agreement is for 70%. How does Amazon get away with this? By claiming they sell these books to 3rd world countries on their 30% list, but withough identifying the countries where these books were sold (other than Germany, France, etc), at such a steep royality discount.  Clearly, electronic sales, with no inventory, is a recipe for abuse, because we must trust Amazon et al to provide accurate sales info, but with no ability to verify their sales figures or where these ebooks were actually sold.  Trust but verify is a good motto, and it is difficult to trust that sales figures are accurate if you can't verify.

                     

                    On the other hand, given my experience with B & N--I am now much more appreciative of Amazon.

                     

                    I think it is unlikely that my case is unique. The sales figures at Amazon (300+ a month) vs B & N (ZERO) can't be dismissed as a fluke. Clearly, B & N has serious problems which I hope they solve. It is not in our long-term best interests, as sellers, authors, publishers, for Amazon to have so much power, or for B & N to go out of business.  Competition is good. My opinion is B & N can't compete and it has nothing to do with a "sales reporting issue."

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                        Sara,

                         

                        I have had similar experiences btw. the 2 sites. I don't think your case is unique based on my experience. I sold thousands of the Kindle version of my book over the past year but probably less than 50 at B&N all told. Lately if I sell 2 books in a month on B&N that's a lot! Something is awry. With all the Nook's out there it doesn't make sense? It doesn't help that author support on PubIt is practically ZERO.

                         

                        RE: the royalty, it differs based on pricepoint. If you're selling your book for less than $2.99 you only get 30% royalty from Amazon. Sell it for higher and you get 70% except for those sold overseas. I think the Amazon deal is pretty sweet for self-published authors actually. I have no complaints there.

                         

                        I agree that it is in authors interest to have healthy competition. But right now it's way skewed

                         

                        Thanks for your post. I am glad I am not alone! I will save my marketing efforts for Amazon as I have been.

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                      I understand your frustration.

                       

                      I used to have my highest sales on Barnes & Noble - until something killed the Nook Boards website.

                       

                      I'm heartbroken that my sales plunged to nothing.

                       

                      Try putting a blurb for your books on ClubNook.com. That appears to be where the Nook owners have gone. Also try Facebook's Nook pages. The readers are out there somewhere.

                        • Re: Our E-Book Sales on Amazon vs Barnes & Noble vs Apple

                          This may sound silly but I think it is not a malreporting issue at all nor is it a thing where people don't use the nook cause many do... There is thousands of new tablets flying off the shelf every christmas holiday the nook is a great device.

                           

                          I think in honest myself I have sold maybe 10 books on this website for the last few months I have sold no copies of HGH Production Naturally Journey to The Foutain of Youth.

                           

                          I believe the wrong way to go about it is being frustrated. Frustration leads to a sprial of things putting you at the top then on the bottom a rollercoaster. I believe the solution to your problem lies in maintaining a positive outlook if you are writing to get rich it may be for all of the wrong reasons my book has been out for a half of a year and I have not sold enough copies to even pay for the copyright costs. I still maintain that I shall keep a positive outlook there is no one to blame really it is just how it works. All great things take time and being like a bug in a Jar or pacing or forceful advertisement I do not believe is the answer I always fall back to the saying " If you build it they will come." It will not happen overnight no great effort ever does there are many great writers who have went to there grave without enjoying the fruits of there labor!

                           

                           

                        • Re: Our E-Book Sales on Amazon vs Barnes & Noble vs Apple

                          Here is is Xmas week and we have 42 books with BN - we have sold less than 20 books all month - down about 70% -- and this is the holiday. What gives? Our sales on Kindle are several hundred during this same period.

                          Something is a bit off here it would seem. As a publisher I had a bad experience in BN when I asked about the Nook. A sales rep came over but the minute I asked for a demonstration and some reasonable questions he just walked away and and started chatting with his friends who were standing around. How is it possible to sell so few books?

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                            Last year my book sales here made up nearly half my total book sales.  This year B&N makes up around 5% of my total sales.  Amazon is makes up 95%.   

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                              My books don't sell as well on BN as on Amazon, which I think is a shame. So many people bought Nooks. Aren't they buying books? Or are they buying something besides the kind of books I write? A friend said her erotic books sell better on BN than on Amazon, but I don't write erotic. I write fairly mild romantic suspense. Although I'm doing okay on Amazon, I'm disappointed with my sales on BN.

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                                Granted, I have not yet put my short story on any other site but I have sold nearly a hundred copies of my title on B&N and I barely do any marketing. Really all the marketing I did was in the beginning when I was really excited about having my first published work out there. I had a surge in sale on B&N near the end of last year it has died down now but I don't mind. I love B&N!

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                                    Here is my Nook experience. I published all my titles on Nook at the very beginning, I think it was October of 2010. At first they didn't seem to be selling very well. But then lo and behold, after a month or two, (sometime around late December, early January 2011) B&N had discovered they had some sort of reporting glitch, and began crediting sales for preceding months that had been missed. All the way back to October 2010, my sales were suddenly about equal with my sales on Amazon. The Amazon/Nook ratio was about the same until sometime near the middle of last year (2011), when sales of my Nook titles began to take a nosedive, until late in the year, sales were barely a tenth of what they had been. Finally, last December when Amazon rolled out Kindle Select, I decided to abandon B&N and put everything exclusively on Amazon. There seemed to be no point in staying with Nook, since sales were so poor.

                                     

                                    Compare to Amazon. I started publishing on Kindle back in late 2007, early 2008, as soon as they opened up the KDP, or DTP as it was called back then. Sales began slow, but quickly picked up. Every year, my sales on Kindle have at least tripled, sometimes more, over the preceding year, and 2012 is starting out to be my best year ever on Kindle.

                                     

                                    I am perfectly willing to accept the possibility that people with Nooks simply aren't interested in reading my books. Maybe in that first half year, I tapped out my audience on Nook and so my sales vanished. But I just don't believe it. After Barnes and Noble's initial fiasco with reporting sales, I wasn't sure how trustworthy their reporting was. And then after reading threads where lots of other indie publishers were experiencing the same sales dropoff issue, I decided the sales dropoff had to be due to something Barnes and Noble was doing.I think all the evidence points to something on their end, not on my end.

                                     

                                    I don't think they're inaccurately reporting sales. I think the sales dropoff has occurred because they have somehow made indie books less visible in their store. I know before I pulled my titles, when I searched for them, they didn't show up half the time. I would type in my exact pen name, and only a handful of my titles would show up. Or I would type in an exact title, and it wouldn't show up.

                                     

                                    I think they've probably done something to supress indie titles in searches, at the behest of the major mainstream publishing companies.

                                     

                                    To summarize: I don't think there is a reporting issue. I think there's an issue with a reader's ability to both search directly for indie titles and authors, and to stumble across indie titles.

                                     

                                    People don't have trouble finding me or my titles on Amazon. But I think they have do have trouble finding me on B&N, and I think they're having that trouble because B&N deliberately did something to make it difficult, sometime near the middle of last year. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but that's what I believe. I think B&N ran into the Big 6 in a dark alley somewhere, and were threatened into sabotaging the indie publishing revolution.

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                                        That's so weird.

                                        I feel the same way about Amazon.  They seem like they are surpressing, or hiding, my books somehow.

                                         

                                        I think it just depends on the type of book you have as to which device will sell more.

                                         

                                        I have at minimum 10 times the sales on the Nook as I do on the Kindle.  Typically it's more like 15-20 times the sales though.

                                         

                                        On a given month, I will have 10-12 sales on the Kindle and well over 200 on the Nook.

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                                          I don't think as many people own Nooks as own Kindles. You have to take that into account when evaluating your sales.

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                                              I have eight books out on both Kindle and Nook. My Kindle sales are approximately fifty times more then my Nook sales. For the last three months I have not had a single sale on Nook, while my Kindle sales have increased. All eight books are identical in every respect including price and description on both services.

                                               

                                              About the only explanation I can come up with is that Kindle, ie, Amazon, has the lion's share of the market. There could be a reporting problem I guess, but a company with the reputation that B&N has would not allow that to continue if there was one. To me it is an unlikely situation.

                                               

                                              I pretty much agree with the statement made by someone earlier in this conservation, maybe Nook readers just aren't interested in my books. I have a Western, some SF, a Horror novel, an Apocalyptic Series, and a couple of books of short stories, one mixed genre and one pure SF.

                                               

                                              I have a few reviews on Nook, all of which are five star, and several on Kindle, also which are all five star. (I guess I've been lucky as the Thrashers haven't hit me yet.)

                                               

                                              If someone could find out a reason for the sales difference being so large for many of us between the two services I would really like to hear it. But I seriously doubt we will ever know.

                                               

                                              With Amazon and IDP now in a *^%$$#& contest, I wonder what will happen to our sales there, too.

                                               

                                              The Dukester
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