47 Replies Latest reply on Dec 25, 2010 10:58 AM by FantasyRider

    14.85 for a damn Nookbook....give me a break!

      So the latest Star Wars Fate of the Jedi book is out (Vortex), the Hardcover is listed at 15.00 and the Nookbook is listed at 14.85  that is just crazy!   NOT going to be buying this one anytime soon.

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          bklvr896

           


          KD67 wrote:

          So the latest Star Wars Fate of the Jedi book is out (Vortex), the Hardcover is listed at 15.00 and the Nookbook is listed at 14.85  that is just crazy!   NOT going to be buying this one anytime soon.


          For some reason, Addall and inkmesh do not find this book at most of the retailers.  However, you might try looking at Kobo.  Or letting B&N know what Amazon is selling it for.

           

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              The more we buy books at these outrageous prices, the more the publishers think they can get away with the ever increasing pricing. Personally, I won't buy at that price regardless of the book, the author or my desire.  For me, it's a matter of discipline & priorities.....in this economy, it just isn't worth it to me to spend an extra 3 to 7 dollars for a book. Other bills are more important.

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                  bklvr896

                   


                  DenisePW wrote:

                  The more we buy books at these outrageous prices, the more the publishers think they can get away with the ever increasing pricing. Personally, I won't buy at that price regardless of the book, the author or my desire.  For me, it's a matter of discipline & priorities.....in this economy, it just isn't worth it to me to spend an extra 3 to 7 dollars for a book. Other bills are more important.


                   

                  And that is what everyone should do.  Choose to buy it or not.  If enough people don't buy a eBook, they'll get the message.  

                   

                  Unfortunately, based on reviewing the top 100 eBooks on B&N on a regular basis, the majority of buyers aren't turned off by the prices.  There's regularly 6-8 books above $12.99 in the top 20, this week, 3 of them are at $14.99.  So obviously, a lot of people don't think $14.99 is too high a price and as long as people are willing to pay that amount, the publishers will keep charging it.

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                  Amazon has it for $6.29. I was surprised by that because I figured the high price here was Agency Pricing and set by the publisher, but it must not be. Does B&N price match?

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                  I love B&N, but this is indeed too high.  Perhaps it's a mistake?  Being the Star Wars nerd that I am, I did buy it for my Kindle apps at Amazon.com for $6.29!  My Nook will be neglected for at least a week or two...

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                    gobasso

                    With the many options on the NOOK, borrowing from the library: side loading free books:etc., your best bet is never buy an expensive book and wait for the prices to come down. At least the NOOK gives you the ability to do that.

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                      the_incognito

                      I agree.  I think that $9.99 is pushing it for an ebook, especially when I have seen many typos in them.  I tend to overlook these typos when the ebook was free, but when I've actually paid for the book I start to think I was overcharged.  Does the DTB format of the same book contain the same typos?  Somehow, I don't think so; I don't ever remember reading a DTB with typos.  Also, I find it annoying when the ebook is the same price or higher than the paperback.  There are no printing or shipping costs involved with the ebook (and quality control seems to be lower as well, as I mentioned already).  Okay, I'm done ranting now.

                       

                      PS - I have gotten dozens of free books, both from sideloading and from B&N's promotions.  Thank you, Doug, for your fabulous free Nookbook thread.

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                        Here's a PubIt! Author chiming in:

                         

                        I have to agree that going above $10 for a work where ease and simplicity of purchase is a boon.  Without the agent, publisher, printer, distribution/transportation, and finally storefront getting in the way, a higher price must mean the work is being sold by the name.

                         

                        I went with $9.99 for my work, not because I'm attempting to gouge, but frankly I put a lot of freakin' time into this project.  I've a long way to go before I can quit my full-time job and do what I love as my career.  Until then I'm striving to make certain I don't step on too many toes.  :smileywink:

                         

                        A bit of a spoiler though: B&N rigs the pricing, at least for PubIt! submissions.  In truth, an Author's work gains 65% of the list price if said price is kept between $2.99 and $9.99.  It changes to 40% at any other price.  Marketing is up to the Author.

                         

                        I'm pushing to get my work noticed, so that I may be able to dive into that print-publisher tumult and have something for the non-Nook-owning folks.  Completed with proper additions I can't get included with my story in this format.  So like it or lump it I've got to take what I can get, and maybe lower the price after I've got the next planned work published.  I'm able to make what I ask on one book, I'd gladly sacrifice that cost to $2.99 if I could still get what I ask for the next to come.  It seems like a fair expectation to me.

                         

                        -MJ Holmes-

                        Author of this hackrag:

                        Tyme and Yon Serpent 

                         

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                          The governments need to be made aware of this.  This is criminal.  If a hard cover book sells for 15 bucks there is no way that the e-book should be anywhere near that price. 

                           

                          A publisher has the cost of paper, ink, printing, warehousing and shipping to get a hard cover book to market.  An e-book has no ink, no paper no printing and warehousing is a hard drive on a server somewhere on the internet.  And the shipping is essentially free as the book goes from the server to your e-reader or computer over the internet.

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                              MusicmanGG

                              After reading some of these posts I see most are missing the most important difference between e-books in their present form and DTB's, which is true ownership.   If the publishers remove the DRM from the e-book THEN it will be worth the same or more than a DTB.  I think two versions of the book should be offered for sale, one with DRM for a low price and one without DRM at a higher price.

                               

                              Publishers can justify charging higher prices when they give me the same use and ownership rights with an e-book as I have with a DTB,    Until then, a cheap price is justified on that basis alone IMO.

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                                Witchdoctor59 wrote:

                                The governments need to be made aware of this.  This is criminal.  If a hard cover book sells for 15 bucks there is no way that the e-book should be anywhere near that price. 

                                 


                                I think that you should send handwritten letters to the attorneys general of all 50 states informing them of this horrific assault on our right to purchase an ebook at a fair price!

                                 

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                                  Allem-o

                                  Witchdoctor59 wrote:

                                  The governments need to be made aware of this. 


                                  Oh please... let's let the freemarket decide this.  Enough of the nanny state already!!!

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                                    bklvr896

                                     


                                    Witchdoctor59 wrote:

                                    The governments need to be made aware of this.  This is criminal.  If a hard cover book sells for 15 bucks there is no way that the e-book should be anywhere near that price. 

                                     

                                     


                                     

                                    I'm not sure what you think the government should do about eBook prices.  Books, whether DTBs or eBooks are a want not a need.  If you don't like the price don't buy the book, it's as simple as that.  The price is going to be what the market will bear, which is the way it should be.  I'm not sure what you think the government should do about the eBook prices.

                                     

                                    And right now, it appears that the market will bear the higher prices.  Look at the BN top 100 selling ebooks sometime.

                                     

                                    Number 1 is Patricia Cornwall - Port Mortuary - $14.99.  4 of the top 10 are $12.99 or higher.

                                     

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                                        Andromeda208

                                        The new Dean Koontz book What the Night Knows (pre order 12/28) is $9.99 on Amazon.  It was $15.40 (even more than the hard copy) on B&N.  I emailed them and 2 days later it was $9.99.  So if you email they do listen.  :smileyhappy:

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                                            Ozman69

                                             


                                            Andromeda208 wrote:

                                            The new Dean Koontz book What the Night Knows (pre order 12/28) is $9.99 on Amazon.  It was $15.40 (even more than the hard copy) on B&N.  I emailed them and 2 days later it was $9.99.  So if you email they do listen.  :smileyhappy:


                                             

                                            They do listen... my only complaint is, why do we the customer have to constantly inform them of these pricing issues?  Isn't there some official mechanism in place to let them know what the price should be?  

                                             

                                            I'm sure if they have a book listed at $20 and ten people buy it, when the eleventh person says, "Hey, Amazon has this for $9.99!" and they adjust the price, I'm betting B&N doesn't send those first ten people a refund of the difference.  It is not like those first ten people missed a sale, because B&N adjusting the price is essentially them saying, "Whoops!  Yeah, we had the wrong price!".  They are pricing products at an inflated rate until someone calls them on it and then they make an adjustment.  That doesn't seem right to me.  

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                                              Andromeda208 wrote:

                                              The new Dean Koontz book What the Night Knows (pre order 12/28) is $9.99 on Amazon.  It was $15.40 (even more than the hard copy) on B&N.  I emailed them and 2 days later it was $9.99.  So if you email they do listen.  :smileyhappy:


                                              But where do they get these prices to begin with? I mean, if they priced books in the stores like they do online, they would go out of business. B&N has been in the business for about 100 years. They know how to price books. If we the public have to e-mail them everytime we find a book cheaper, that is just pathetic.

                                               

                                               

                                              Obviously if they can lower the price to $9.99 in a heartbeat, they were not under orders of the publisher to set the price at $15.40. They just wanted to see what they could get away with charging.

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                                                  Ya_Ya

                                                   


                                                  parKb5 wrote:

                                                   

                                                  Obviously if they can lower the price to $9.99 in a heartbeat, they were not under orders of the publisher to set the price at $15.40. They just wanted to see what they could get away with charging.

                                                   

                                                  Isn't this capitalism?  The seller prices his goods as high as the market will bear?  The market buys or doesn't buy (partially) based on price?  

                                                   

                                                  (I'm not defending or attacking the $14.85 pricing of the book in the first place, just asking a question.)

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                                                      As long as people are willing to pay the price there's absolutely no reason for publishers to lower those prices.

                                                      They're not in business to be nice or "do the right thing".  They're in business to make money.

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                                                          AlanNJ wrote:

                                                          As long as people are willing to pay the price there's absolutely no reason for publishers to lower those prices.

                                                          They're not in business to be nice or "do the right thing".  They're in business to make money.


                                                           

                                                          If that is the case, why not charge $18.99 for EVERY nookbook? Why not charge $500.00 for a nook? Then they can make MORE money. Heck, why give 40% off of hardcovers in their store? According to you, they are losing money with every sale.

                                                           

                                                          Giving the example of the Dean Koontz book. B&N charged $15.00 for they ebook but the minute someone called them on it, they lowered the price to $9.99. That doesn't sound like the publishers pricing to me.

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                                                              Everyone has their fingers in the pie, BN most likely has a Minimum price that they are charged by the publisher

                                                               

                                                              For a long time, a certain competitor was charging LESS than the minimum price (e.g. Sell for 9.99, pay publisher 11.99 or some other number).  This only works in the short term, eventually price must be >= cost, else you go out of business

                                                               

                                                              For BN, (Or any other distributer), options include:

                                                              1.  Sell for exactly what the publisher gives the work to you for, living on "Other compesation" (e.g. Negotiated discounts at certain volumes (Sell over 100 price drops by 3%, you don't lower the price, end up making 3% on sales over 100), Discounts in other areas (We'll drop our price by 10% on hard cover sales for 3 months), and/or some type of "profit sharing" (Publisher PAYS for distributer to carry it's work), some type of price sharing deal (e.g. a certain company with a fruit logo, Sell for 0.99, they keep 1/3, and give you 2/3)

                                                              2.  Sell for less - Possibly getting some of the options in 1

                                                              3.  Sell for more - Pay publisher whatever price, and pocket the difference

                                                               

                                                              There are lots of books on this type of thing, this is a VERY crude summary!

                                                               

                                                              Of course, since this is the real world:

                                                              Very unlikely only 1 of the above is chosen

                                                              Different publishers Likely have different deals

                                                              Some things are special - e.g. Something like the "Harry Potter" craze likely will be re-negotiated for just that

                                                               

                                                              So who loses?

                                                              Nobody - Everyone participating is their own agent, and the end result "Selling Price" is the real deal breaker - Too high, nobody buys the book, matters little how cheap it is for the publisher or for distributer

                                                               

                                                              As long as each is being Reasonable, then system works

                                                               

                                                              Note strong basis on the past, paper-book model.  Electronic has some different economies, but, frankly, the publishers are still in denial over this

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                                                                If that is the case, why not charge $18.99 for EVERY nookbook? Why not charge $500.00 for a nook? Then they can make MORE money.  

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                                                                Very simple, the market would not support charging $500 for a nook. It is unlikely the market would support 18.99 for every E book. An item is worth what a seller will accept and a buyer will pay. If the buyer won't pay the asking price, the seller won't make any money and will have to lower the price or go out of business.

                                                                 

                                                                Businesses are in business to make money. They are not nonprofit organizations providing a service. If enough people don't like paying 14.85 for E books the price will become lower or that particular e book will become unavailable.

                                                                 

                                                                I don't understand why some people seem to think that they are owed low price e books just because they want them.  As I said before, I will pay what the book is worth to me. If I pay more then you are willing to, that's my right and my decision. If you don't like it, try moving to a communist dictatorship where the government fixes all prices and determines what can be sold or even what you are allowed to see.

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                                                            Andromeda208

                                                            parKb5 wrote:

                                                             


                                                            Andromeda208 wrote:

                                                            The new Dean Koontz book What the Night Knows (pre order 12/28) is $9.99 on Amazon.  It was $15.40 (even more than the hard copy) on B&N.  I emailed them and 2 days later it was $9.99.  So if you email they do listen.  :smileyhappy:


                                                            But where do they get these prices to begin with? I mean, if they priced books in the stores like they do online, they would go out of business. B&N has been in the business for about 100 years. They know how to price books. If we the public have to e-mail them everytime we find a book cheaper, that is just pathetic.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            Obviously if they can lower the price to $9.99 in a heartbeat, they were not under orders of the publisher to set the price at $15.40. They just wanted to see what they could get away with charging.


                                                            If the publisher sets the price at 9.99 and B&N was charging 15.40 I was not asking them to lower it. I was just pointing out that Amazon was charging 9.99.  That was the price set by the publisher, otherwise Amazon could not charge the lower price

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                                                                Well as the original poster for this out of hand topic, I just want to say that I emailed B&N concerning the price of the original book in question (as I stated on pg 1 of this post).  I wanted the book and I was going to buy it, BUT as I told them I would have to take my business to Amazon if I was going to buy the ebook format because the price was set at 6.29  I had thought of buying the hardcover at 15.00 but was reluctant to do so when I could get it cheaper in the kindle format, I would just have to read it on my phone instead of my Nook.  I am VERY pleased that B&N lowered the price to match that of Amazon, and since they did in fact match the price I immediately logged into B&N and purchase the ebook. 

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                                                            I'll pay whatever the price if I want to read the book badly enough. I would actually pay more for an E book because I prefer E books.

                                                             

                                                            Things are worth what the owner will accept and the buyer will pay. Money itself is an abstract concept. Really how much actual value does a dirty green piece of paper hold. It is what the dirty paper represents that holds value.

                                                             

                                                            The same with a book. If you don't value the particular book or format, don't buy it. However, don't whine to the government to price fix books. The free market can and will decide.  

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                                                              I will pay these prices anytime I believe the product is worth it and I have the discretionary funds. Unlike my natural gas bill, the prices will go up and down as we the buyers evaluate our individual choice to purchase or not. Welcome to proper American economics.
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                                                              Witchdoctor59 wrote:

                                                              The governments need to be made aware of this.  This is criminal.  If a hard cover book sells for 15 bucks there is no way that the e-book should be anywhere near that price. 

                                                               

                                                              A publisher has the cost of paper, ink, printing, warehousing and shipping to get a hard cover book to market.  An e-book has no ink, no paper no printing and warehousing is a hard drive on a server somewhere on the internet.  And the shipping is essentially free as the book goes from the server to your e-reader or computer over the internet.


                                                              That is the most asinine comment I have heard in quite a while.  The last thing this world needs is more useless government interference.

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                                                                KingAl

                                                                 


                                                                Witchdoctor59 wrote:

                                                                The governments need to be made aware of this.  This is criminal.  If a hard cover book sells for 15 bucks there is no way that the e-book should be anywhere near that price. 

                                                                 

                                                                A publisher has the cost of paper, ink, printing, warehousing and shipping to get a hard cover book to market.  An e-book has no ink, no paper no printing and warehousing is a hard drive on a server somewhere on the internet.  And the shipping is essentially free as the book goes from the server to your e-reader or computer over the internet.


                                                                NO! As long as they are not price fixing, they have the right to price their ebooks at $100,000,000, just as you have the right not to buy them if you think they are too expensive.

                                                                 

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                                                                Andromeda208

                                                                KD67  I don't know if this has been posted yet, but the book in question is currently $6.29.  So you see, B&N does listen.

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                                                                  $14.85? I was looking to buy a nookbook or Atlas Shrugged and it was $18.99! The paperback was only $8.99? How can they charge $10.00 for a book that isn't even printed?

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                                                                    The hard cover book is sold for $18 discount when it's first released. Understandable as there is that nice hard cover, pages usually have good quality paper and print. There is a process involved in printing and binding a book, price excepted. The paperback follows later with a heavy paper cover cheap paper and newspaper print. Still, book has gone through a process of print, binding, shipment and being physically sold by a human for a paycheck. This book sells for around $6-$8. An eBook is one file on a server, words in ones and zero's. The author is getting paid the same no matter what format it's sold. No physical book needs to be processed, delivered and sold. Who is making all the money? All the same people involved in printing the book only the middle man is making higher profits. B&N going to make that sale at around the same profit level to keep it's doors open for that hard book reader. Sounds like the OPEC of the Ebook market needs to go away.

                                                                     

                                                                    Thought.... How about B&N become the Netflix of the Ebook. Rent the book as you can't do anything with the Ebook after you read it like sell at a yard sale, pass along to a friend, donate to a library or retirement home etc. do to DRM. I guess OPEC would have to make that discussion.

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                                                                        ProfReader

                                                                         


                                                                        BrandrewDM wrote:

                                                                        The hard cover book is sold for $18 discount when it's first released. Understandable as there is that nice hard cover, pages usually have good quality paper and print. There is a process involved in printing and binding a book, price excepted. The paperback follows later with a heavy paper cover cheap paper and newspaper print. Still, book has gone through a process of print, binding, shipment and being physically sold by a human for a paycheck. This book sells for around $6-$8. An eBook is one file on a server, words in ones and zero's. The author is getting paid the same no matter what format it's sold. No physical book needs to be processed, delivered and sold. Who is making all the money? All the same people involved in printing the book only the middle man is making higher profits. B&N going to make that sale at around the same profit level to keep it's doors open for that hard book reader. Sounds like the OPEC of the Ebook market needs to go away.

                                                                         

                                                                        Thought.... How about B&N become the Netflix of the Ebook. Rent the book as you can't do anything with the Ebook after you read it like sell at a yard sale, pass along to a friend, donate to a library or retirement home etc. do to DRM. I guess OPEC would have to make that discussion.


                                                                        The costs of promotion, proofing and advances still have to be paid.

                                                                         

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                                                                            I think what he is trying to say is that hardcovers are priced at around $18.00 b/c of the cost of the printing. Paperback are printed cheaper, so they run for aobut $8.00. It is easy to see the savings. Now the ebook doesn't have to be printed, why do they charge hardcover or close to is pricing. Obviously the cost of promotion, proofing and advancing is figured into the price of the paperback. Why aren't ebook priced at least at a paperback price?

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                                                                            Personally I've tried TOR, DAW, and Baen so far and nothing new.  Anyone that can tell me, "yes sir it'll be live in three days," is just fine.  If I can knock that aforementioned $18 down to half; even better.

                                                                             

                                                                            -MJ-

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