7 Replies Latest reply on Apr 20, 2010 3:24 AM by very-simple

    eBook available at competitor but not at B&N?

      Maybe this has been discussed before, but i find that there are some ebooks available on Amazon, but not here. I thought if is was in eformat, then it wouldn't matter what retailer, it should be available.  Isn't that like a paperback available at one place but not another?

       

      I am confused so maybe someone can explain to me.

       

       

        • Re: eBook available at competitor but not at B&N?

          You'll probably hear a bunch of different answers on this one... but I'll go with the rules are still being made up as they go.  Several different sources say that they are the largest collection of ebooks... how is that?  Someone has to be the largest right?

           

          Anyway, I'm sure Amazon would love to make exclusive deals with publishers so that you have to use their Kindle to read that publisher's books.  B&N would love to do the same...  From the user's standpoint we don't want to get 2 devices to read books, that would be silly.  In the end I think it will be like MP3s where most are available from all sources, but there will be a few that you're just not going to get in any e-book format.

           

          -Mike-

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            Joe_L wrote:

            Maybe this has been discussed before, but i find that there are some ebooks available on Amazon, but not here. I thought if is was in eformat, then it wouldn't matter what retailer, it should be available.  Isn't that like a paperback available at one place but not another?

             

            I am confused so maybe someone can explain to me.

             

             

             

             

            It's actually been discussed to death, but to cut to the chase, there are two main problems with your thesis.  

             

            First, on the technical side, Amazon and B&N use different e-book formats, which means it's not just a matter of making the same e-book available.  An ebook for B&N needs to be converted to .epub, while amazon uses the proprietary .azw format.  

             

            Second, each retailer has its own contracts with each publisher.  Since the kindle has been around for two years, it is the more "mature" device, and amazon has spent the last two years putting contracts in place for each book that it carries.  When the kindle store launched, it only had a fraction of the titles it has today.  Even if B&N is working as fast as humanly possible to get contracts into place, negotiations necessarily take time.  

              • Re: eBook available at competitor but not at B&N?
                LarryOnLI

                To add the very-simple's response above.

                 

                As a publisher of eBooks can you think of any reason why you wouldn't want to support B&N as well as Amazon? The more formats and outlets you have, the more potential sales you will make.

                 

                I think given time all books available on Amazon will also be available on B&N.

                 

                As for pricing, it's the nature of competition for different retailers to differ in prices on the same items. That's why I go through the sale circulars each week before doing my grocery shopping.

                 

                Finally adding something that is my opinion only: I think eventually Amazons proprietary .azw format will go the way of Sony's Betamax tape format. I wouldn't be surprised if the kindle could read ePub before the end of the year (all it requires is an over the air software update).

                 

                Then hopefully nook owners could buy from Amazon and kindle owners could buy from B&N. Why not? It means more potential sales for the retailers, and more choices for the consumers.

                 

              • Re: eBook available at competitor but not at B&N?

                Even discounting the different formats and DRM's needed - retailers work out separate deals with the publishers, even on ebooks.  Rick Riordan's "Percy Jackson & The Olympians" series has been out for the Kindle for months - well in advance of the movie.  The rest of us poor sods have had to suffer needlessly, waiting for it to come out in ebook for other retailers, because Amazon worked out an exclusivity deal with their publisher.

                 

                Amazon has been the big player in online books for quite some time now, and corralled the market with the Kindle (despite Sony beating them to the punch with their ereader by nearly 2 years; being typically Sony, they had no idea how to market it or build an ebookstore or make it simple to use.)  They've used that "muscle" to leverage better deals with the publishers in their own favor, and with B&N (and others) either coming late to the game or being small players they've had to settle for table scraps while Amazon grabbed the turkey legs for themselves.

                 

                It's all changing now, with the Nook and (*gag*) iBooks for the iPad; Amazon's lost quite a bit of it's luster, still holding off on adopting the quickly-becoming-universal ePub standard - which the major publishers all support.  Give it a year, let B&N settle in as a major ebook provider, and I'm sure you'll stop seeing these exclusivity deals - or at least see less of them, for less time frames, than we're seeing now.

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                    EricTrickster wrote:

                    Even discounting the different formats and DRM's needed - retailers work out separate deals with the publishers, even on ebooks.  Rick Riordan's "Percy Jackson & The Olympians" series has been out for the Kindle for months - well in advance of the movie.  The rest of us poor sods have had to suffer needlessly, waiting for it to come out in ebook for other retailers, because Amazon worked out an exclusivity deal with their publisher.

                    Can you please explain how you know that the reason that "Percy Jackson and the Olympians" is not available for the Nook is because Amazon has an exclusivity deal with the publisher?

                     

                     

                  • Re: eBook available at competitor but not at B&N?

                    It makes sense that there is not the number of books out there for the nook as there if for the kindle, given the relative ages of each.  It is a shame that Amazon did not go with what seems to be the growing standard, but what can you do, right?

                     

                    I'm wondering whether or not there's a newsletter or something from Barnes and Noble that lists titles that are newly available.  Not necessarily new releases (which I would associate with new books), but older books that have been added to the BN.com ebook listings.