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      • 30. Re: Software Update 1.4.1 posted

        With the blocking of sideloading, I stopped recommending Nook to my friends for their holiday shopping. There are many tablets in the $250-300 that not only give them ability to read ebooks but also give access to thousands of apps.

         

        While I purchased Nook mainly for reading, one of the most attractive feature over Kindle was its ability to sideload apps. The latest update have taken that away.

         

        Hope B&N rethinks this.

        • 31. Re: Software Update 1.4.1 posted
          I will concede there are good apps, not available through BN. To say you can't tell which apps are available is not accurate. The website store allows you to browse the apps just as you would books. Gmail?, OK, not the app, if but you receive your email, calendar no. Quick Office pro is not normally available in the market for free, I could not say if it is free on Amazon. . I understand the desire for sideloading, but many of these posts have inaccurate or misleading examples. The examples I gave were not complete, and I am just not willing to go through every one since I have a real life also. It just seems to me that if you want to BN to take your concerns seriously, and a little more care, needs to be taken. Fairness to BN since prospective customers and new users who may not be able to identify inaccurate information may read these blogs also.
          • 32. Re: Software Update 1.4.1 posted

            I just got a Nook Tablet for Christmas and am extremely disappointed if this update removes the ability to sideload apps easily. If this ability is not restored soon, one of a few things will probably happen -

             

            1) I'll return the Nook and buy another device (such as a Kindle)

             

            2) I'll root/hack my device anyway, and most of the time I'd use Android over the Nook interface, but end up being frustrated because it's more work for me

             

            3) I'll use my device as-is, but I'll end up being frustrated with it and use it only for books from other sources

             

            In any case, I'd be avoiding the B&N ecosystem entrirely, out of spite as well as convenience. Even without hacking, I could get my books from other sources like my public library or Project Gutenberg. You'd be losing the money I'm likely to spend on books, comics, and apps. Which judging by the fact that I have 4 bookshelves in my room that still don't hold all my books... is potentially a lot.

             

            However, the ideal situation for me would be to use the Nook interface, which I like for most things, supplemented with just a couple apps that I already "own" from other markets or are free. You wouldn't lose money because you don't sell those apps, and I wouldn't buy them again even if you did, I'd just do without. But for anything new, I'd be more likely to buy directly from B&N, because of convenience.

             

            Plus, if sideloading becomes more difficult, I'm far less likely to recommend the Nook to friends and family, who take my advice on technology seriously. 

             

            Bring back sideloading! You're just hurting your own business otherwise.

             

             

            • 33. Re: Software Update 1.4.1 posted

              B&N giveth and then taketh away!  Sounds like a NetFlix bonehead move to me. If they don't come to their senses then you are absolutely right...they are hurting themselves and we'll all able to look at the egg on their face!  What makes companies do these sort of things is a sign that management has no clue of the consequence(s) of their actions stemming from either ignorance or arrogance - your choice. 

              • 34. Re: Software Update 1.4.1 posted

                I will have to agree with you about bringing back sideloading.  I have been looking at their app store and the have not many choices, but the worst part is being unable to search with ease.  Silly, they have a Nook app on the Android Market, yet we can not access the android market.  I don't know, I think that people should be able to buy books from whoever they want to and read them with the appropriate readers. IBooks for android, Nook for Ipad et cetera.  So if I get the IPAD , which is very likely in the future, I will still be able to read books I bought from everywhere. Not providing access to their Customers is short sighted, but their choice. I would not recommend the NTablet to anyone who is looking for an Android Tablet. Get a real android Tablet and get your apps even the Nook App from the android market. Barnes and Noble may rethink their software blockade when their expected sales don't reach goal.

                 

                Personally I am 95% Happy with my Nook Tablet, not being able to sideload apps was a surprise software update. There are not that many applications out there that I like, but not Having a real Twitter or Facebook App for free is very shortsighted, yet they want to access all my Facebook Friends and Twitter Info, BARNES and Noble has the ability to create apps , you have on for IPAD and one for Android Market, so gt busy and get creative. You won't loose me as a Customer, but You definitely won't get any more Hardware Purchase from me in the Tablet Department, that I can guarantee to you, unless you give us back sideloading.

                 

                By the way Thanks for e-cycling my old Nook 1st edition, that was one of my points to upgrade to the Nook Tablet.   :smileywink:

                • 35. Re: Software Update 1.4.1 posted

                  There's a lot of rage in this thread, and I can understand why.

                   

                  I created an account to come here and say this:

                   

                  I returned my Nook Tablet. Honestly, it was a wonderful device - sleek, functional, powerful, incredible battery life. Sideloading was the sort of thing that wasn't supposed to be mainstream, but it was THERE, and it was an option. It also enabled me to root the device, which was my own choice. I'm not complaining that I lost root access, really, I'm complaining that my device has become significantly downgraded.

                   

                  However - we vote with our wallets. According the Barnes and Noble Nook Tablet user agreement, we were permitted to sideload applications. That permission has now been denied, in violation of the Terms of Use that I agreed to. I have returned the device and received my refund, I would encourage other users who are dissatisfied with this update to do the same thing. Return your device, take the money, add another $50 over the next couple weeks, and buy another tablet. Or pay $50 less and buy a Kindle Fire, but there's no guarantee you won't be fighting the same war again at a later date.

                   

                  I refuse to fight with a company for ownership of my device. If you bought a car from Toyota, and they came to your house two weeks later and said you could no longer drive over 35 miles per hour, you would be enraged. If you bought a dinner plate, but the store said you could only buy food from them if you wanted to use it, you would be enraged. Why do consumers accept this sort of behavior?

                   

                  I refuse to accept it. Take your car back, take your dinner plate back, I choose to give my money (money that you so badly need in this economy) to another company, one that won't come to my house in the middle of the night and downgrade my device.

                   

                  EDIT - Incidentally, for those of you worried about getting your refund, here is the 2011 holiday season return policy from Barnes and Noble.

                   

                  http://www.barnesandnoble.com/help/help_cds2.asp?PID=3712              Your device, opened or unopened, will be honored for refund or exchange until January 31st, 2012. If you like the device, I'm happy for you. Use it, love it, enjoy it. If you're unhappy... well, $250 is too much money to be unhappy. Make a statement that matters - get your money back.

                  • 36. Re: Software Update 1.4.1 posted
                    Omnigeek

                    Raika wrote:According the Barnes and Noble Nook Tablet user agreement, we were permitted to sideload applications. That permission has now been denied, in violation of the Terms of Use that I agreed to.


                    You are absolutely right that people vote with their wallets and you have elected to do so.  I hope you find something that meets your needs or desires better.  However, I would like you to cite where in the NT UA it said you were permitted to sideload APPLICATIONS.  User content certainly (and you can still do so) -- applications are not content.

                    • 37. Re: Software Update 1.4.1 posted
                      It's all content. Some of it is consumptive content, but you buy content from the B&N store. I suppose the one big differentiation here would be where this content is stored - in some of the 13 + gigs of B&N space or in the 1GB owner space., or on the owner supplied external SD card space. The stuff that B&N sells you is "special" and is stored in reserved space the stuff that the owner supplies goes to primarily the external SD card or that 1 GB of owner space.
                      • 38. Re: Software Update 1.4.1 posted

                        wkc2001 wrote: It's all content. Some of it is consumptive content, but you buy content from the B&N store.

                        i agree, it they didn't want sideloading of apps the user Guide/ agreement should have stated

                         

                        "You can sideload all content, except for apps".

                         

                        -or-

                         

                        "You can sideload Books, music, pdf documents, movies (whatever else they allow)..."

                         

                        Take your pick, one tells you up front that apps will not be allowed, but is a little negative.. One might get people to "think" they can sideload everything, until they take it home, and find they can't sideload apps, and when they look at the User Guide, they will see it didn't tell them they could.. Take your pick, either wording would have been fine.. What it should NOT say though is "you can sideload content"..  Because apps are content.

                         

                        And for those who keep saying it is so that B&N can make money off of us after selling the device.. I don't get that reasoning.. Why not close off the sideloading of Books?? After all that is still their primary money making buisness?? So I can maybe add an app that can read other books they don't support.. Is their fear really all about my buying a book or two from Amazon, when I still have opportunity to buy the book from BAM, epubBooks.com and others??  WHAT??

                         

                        Rumor over at Amazon is that they are thinking of selling books in the epub format.. If they do that, then will sideloading of books become restricted in the next Upgrade? (after all content only means what B&N want to secretively describe it as.)

                         

                        If B&N start getting into a Movie or Music store, should then those also become restricted in another upgrade? Great now, B&N only meant "content" to be your own self-created PDF documents..

                         

                        And as for the arguement that B&N would need to support the Tablets that run third party apps when they start making the system unstable.. That too is alot of bunk, that has been addressed many a time.. They don't support the apps they sell, and anyone owning any pc, laptop, or moble device knows that you can't go to the manufacturer to complain about failure of software you load on to it.

                         

                        Lastly Amazon is trying to block rooting without killing side-loading of third party apps.. Does anyone know how the KF user agreement is worded about sideloading??  Is it something vague like content?

                         

                        So all Amazon needs to do is improve their device, continue to sell it a little lower then B&N (or not, if it is a well made device with sideloading including apps) and show respect for their customer..

                        • 39. Re: Software Update 1.4.1 posted

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                          So all Amazon needs to do is improve their device, continue to sell it a little lower then B&N (or not, if it is a well made device with sideloading including apps) and show respect for their customer..

                           

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                          At this point having had the benefit of the full B&N experience, I realize exactly how priceless those last six words are.  A lesson I won't soon forget.

                          • 40. Re: Software Update 1.4.1 posted
                            Omnigeek

                            wkc2001 wrote:
                            It's all content. Some of it is consumptive content, but you buy content from the B&N store. I suppose the one big differentiation here would be where this content is stored - in some of the 13 + gigs of B&N space or in the 1GB owner space., or on the owner supplied external SD card space. The stuff that B&N sells you is "special" and is stored in reserved space the stuff that the owner supplies goes to primarily the external SD card or that 1 GB of owner space.

                            If you're trying to claim that apps are content then you're pretty far off base.  Apps are no more content in the common parlance (or even uncommon parlance) than an engine is fuel.  Yes, in the end, everything is just data but there's a far cry between executable and non-executable data.  JPEGs don't just display themselves but I can use any number of photo viewers or editors to open them -- more to the point, I can select a specific application (photo viewer) and ingest all sorts of content (photos) as long as they're in the right format (JPEG, PNG, etc.)

                             

                            Raiku was trying to claim the promise from B&N to allow sideloading of content (EPUBs, MP3s, MP4s, JPEGs, PDFs, etc.) was reneged on because they no longer allow sideloading of apps.  Allowing sideloading of apps would have been a very powerful strength in the Nook's favor but B&N made no bones about their view that this was a bug that would be fixed soon and did NOT renege on any user agreements when they did so.  Most (I'd say all but I don't think I've seen ALL the arguments) of the whines to the contrary simply aren't founded in fact or law.

                            • 41. Re: Software Update 1.4.1 posted

                              Omnigeek wrote:

                              Raika wrote:According the Barnes and Noble Nook Tablet user agreement, we were permitted to sideload applications. That permission has now been denied, in violation of the Terms of Use that I agreed to.


                              You are absolutely right that people vote with their wallets and you have elected to do so.  I hope you find something that meets your needs or desires better.  However, I would like you to cite where in the NT UA it said you were permitted to sideload APPLICATIONS.  User content certainly (and you can still do so) -- applications are not content.


                              The debate about what constitutes content could go on forever.  It doesn't matter whether an industry means one thing even though it says another, it's all about customer perception of the product being sold and the manfacturers and retailers are going to word things so that definitions can be implied in many different ways.

                               

                              I stand by my opinion (note the word opinion) that content includes anything that you put on the device other than the base operating system.

                               

                              People keep saying that B&N never advertised the sideloading of apps as a feature of the device.  I think this is a wrong statement.  Advertising consists of anything you publish to promote your product.  As a tech savvy consumer, I don't just look at the info that B&N published.  B&N on it's NT page down near the bottom, lists several statements from reviews done on its product.  By doing this, there are making those articles a part of their advertising.  As savvy consumer will research the articles and read everything that was written.

                               

                              Some things I took away from the articles:

                               

                              1. One of the articles is an interview with several B&N Product Strategists.  They keep calling this a Tablet and it is there to compete along side the Fire and the iPad.

                               

                              2. Two of the articles specifically list the capability of sideloading applications.  While one of them does say that B&N could possibly turn it off with an update, it doesn't say that this will or will not be the case. 

                               

                              B&N knew what the articles contained and they knew that savvy consumers would research the articles.

                               

                              Since the iPad was out of my range price wise, for me it was a decision between the Fire and Nook.  I compared all the features.  Sideloading of apps was important but not the deciding factor.  The deciding factor for me was the ability to expand the storage capabilities with a memory card.

                               

                              In addition, to looking at the features, I like to be informed about the product I am purchasing.  Therefore I read the Terms of Service for both the Fire and Nook.  The Nook TOS specifically state I can sideload content.  There is no clear definition of content, only the word Digital Content is defined.  However, on the Fire TOS, they define Digital Content as the following:

                               

                              "Digital Content" means digitized electronic content obtained through the Kindle Store, such as books, newspapers, magazines, journals, blogs, RSS feeds, games, and other static and interactive electronic content.

                               

                              Are there differences? Yep sure, but since this device is being sold to compete with the Fire, as a consumer, I made my decision after reviewing all these factors.

                               

                              This is my opinion and it is not meant to call anyone elses opinion right or wrong.

                              • 42. Re: Software Update 1.4.1 posted
                                Omnigeek and others,: as books need to be displayed within the confines of book reading software, apps have to run within the confines of the operating system. Apps are enhancements to the OS as ebooks are enhancements to the book reading software (I think you will agree that book reading software is rather boring without an ebook to read with it. By the same token the OS is rather boring by itself, but I 'm sure we can find people that could "knock themselves out" messing with the OS! I rhink you would have a hard sell telling game creators that the products that they make are not considered content. Content enhances the base product whether it be ebooks or software. It's just different kinds of content. Let's not apologize for the people who set this turbulance into motion. Their objective is to get you to spend your book or wharever money in their store and their deliberate actions are designed to make it as difficult as possible for you to do otherwise. They have leveraged your purchase of a Nook Tablet ("your Nook" as it is referred to in the Terms of Service") for purposes of controling (not just making it easier) how you make book and media purchases with "your Nook". Make it near-impossible to do otherwise and they know people will cave. It very easy to simply to return it and walk away. People want you to do that. It's easy and clean and I'm sure it fits into B&N' business plan of acceptable losses. The less they have to deal with me post-sale the better off they are from their prospective. I just hate being played, and sorry fellas that is the way I feel. Regardless of what I end up doing with the Nook Tablet I will still have my wife's Nook Color to deal with (can't return that one now.)
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