46 Replies Latest reply: Nov 5, 2014 7:51 AM by bobstro

    Why do you prefer NOOK over Kindle?

    luvs2read89

      I personally prefer NOOK for a variety of reasons. I have had a lot of problems with Kindle, also I have found some books are on NOOK that are not on Kindle and overall I like how NOOK works better. Most of my friends use Kindle and they think it's funny that I use NOOK, so if you're a NOOK user like me I would like to know why you prefer NOOK?

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          Mercury_Glitch

          Barnes and Noble may make bad choices, the web download issue, sd card slot on the NGL, etc.  But these bad decisions are not made with the end goal of driving everyone else under.

           

          Amazon wants to be the only source for ebooks, and virtually every decision they make can be traced back to this goal.  I'm young, but I've learned the lesson of giving up future options for short term convenience.  I know some folks own Kindles and buy ebooks from other sources, kudos to them, I just don't want to be counted as part of Amazons marketshare even if I don't buy ebooks from them. 

           

          Though I've recently switched to Kobo it's for similar reasons that I chose them over Amazon (Amazon would have been the easier faster option, I feel Kobo is the better option).

           

          I will admit working in a retail B&N certainly guided my original decision to buy a Nook, can't get much easier than picking up a device when you clock out.  And for a long time I wore ruby colored glasses concerning ereaders.  It's thanks to these forums that I've taken those glasses off.

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            TarHeelGirl00

            I received my Nook Tablet as a Christmas present several years back. I am still using it, but I also purchased a Nook HD+ when they first came out and were on sale. I enjoy using them both,. I especially like the fact that I can use the Kindle app on the Nook HD+ and have the best of both worlds.

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              EB613

              I remember receiving the first edition NOOK when I was 17. I actually cried because I thought my parents wanted me to stop buying hardbacks. I'm not sure why I thought that.

               

              Now at 21, I've owned a NOOK Tablet (sold to a friend), a NOOK Simple Touch w/Glowlight (sold), a NOOK Glowlight, and a SGTN. I really prefer the e-reader over the tablet though.

               

              As it is, I've invested so much money into BN that it's hard to pull away and say, "I want a Kobo!". I didn't choose NOOK, it chose me. I regularly went to BN with my parents when I was small and devoured the kids' section. It was only natural that my first e-reader would come from a home-away-from-home.

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                  keriflur

                  EB613 wrote:

                   

                  As it is, I've invested so much money into BN that it's hard to pull away and say, "I want a Kobo!". I didn't choose NOOK, it chose me. I regularly went to BN with my parents when I was small and devoured the kids' section. It was only natural that my first e-reader would come from a home-away-from-home.

                  This is the reason I got my first nook also. I agonized - it just seemed easier to go with kindle, but B&N was my bookstore, my husband called it "the mothership." So I got a nook, the N1E, and then got the NST on pre-order, 2 years later.

                   

                  I still buy my books from B&N, though I buy from Google also (they are often cheaper). Yesterday I bought 4 books, but B&N was more expensive for 3 of them, so I ended up buying 2 from Google and 2 from B&N (it cost me a dollar extra, but I did it anyway). I choose B&N in part because I want to see them be successful, and in part because I like their reading apps.

                   

                  I do own a kindle (I read all my nook books on it), and will likely buy another down the line. IMO they are far superior than the devices from Kobo and B&N, and that's based on me ordering all 3 and comparing them in person. I wish B&N would put out a device that rivaled what Amazon was putting out, and if they did, I would absolutely buy it.  I don't think anyone is counting me as "kindle's marketshare" because (1) I don't buy books from Amazon, (2) Amazon doesn't report numbers anyway, and (3) Amazon sells kindles at a loss. IMO if you really want to stick it to Amazon, buy a kindle and then never buy any Amazon ebooks - they will literally lose money on you.

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                    Mercury_Glitch

                    Don't feel like the fact that they are Nook ebooks ties you to the Nook.  As Keri points out she has all her Nook books on her Kindle.

                     

                    You can load Nook books on a Kobo without stripping DRM.  Dunno about the process keriflur uses for her Kindle.  All that said stripping DRM while illegal is on its own is not really something publishers or sellers can enforce.  Unless you share the ebooks with others they would be hard pressed to bring charges up since they'd have no evidence.  And even then it's questionable if they would bother since you still purchased the ebook you're just removing barriers from using it on other devices.

                     

                    It does come down to the individual, but stripping DRM is probably one of the safest laws one could break.

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                    Jacquie66

                    I never liked the look of the kindle when I was considering getting an e-reader.  Then the Nook came out and haven't looked back since.  I also read books on my iPad via the Nook app but I like the idea of having something dedicated to just books and not having to vie for space with other apps

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                      LarryOnLI

                      luvs2read89 wrote:

                       

                      I personally prefer NOOK for a variety of reasons. I have had a lot of problems with Kindle, also I have found some books are on NOOK that are not on Kindle and overall I like how NOOK works better. Most of my friends use Kindle and they think it's funny that I use NOOK, so if you're a NOOK user like me I would like to know why you prefer NOOK?

                      One reason: Kindle uses a proprietary format.

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                        msmoonlite

                        I used to love BN and prefer my Nook, but then BN took away the ability to download my books to my desktop. I got my first Nook in 2010, and I fell in love. I thought Kindles were ugly, with the unecesarry keyboard (if I'm only reading what exactly do I need a keyboard for?). I would support BN any way I could; I had no problem paying a little bit more than other ebook retailers for my Nook books. The biggest thing to me was to do my part to try and keep them afloat. I hated Amazon with a passion because as some one above mentioned they seem to go out of their way to smash everyone around them. I rooted for the litlle guy.

                         

                        Until the little guy messed up. I have way too many Nook books that I paid for in my library to trust that they will be safe and sound on BN's servers.

                         

                        Not to mention that the last 'updated' Nook was the Glowlight, which in my opinion, was a lackluster entry into the ereaer market with crappy contrast and a glitchy OS that freezes up on me way too often.

                         

                        Thankfully, I had an older version of the Nook app that let me download my books, and they are now all safely ensonced in my Calibre library. And I'm about to join the Kindle ecosystem. The new Kindle Voyage looks like it is right up my alley.

                         

                        I'll never be one of those people who blasts BN...I'll always be a cheerleader but for now I'm not a customer.

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                          gardener0126

                          Well, my reason for preferring Nook is essentially sentimental.  My first experience with any sort of ereader was the original Nook Color.  My children gave it to me for Christmas and I was thrilled with it. I couldn't believe that an electronic device that small (!!)  would let me have an entire library at my fingertips.  Previously I had purchased a few ebooks which I had to read on my laptop.  (At the time I did not realize that my first generation iPod touch could have worked as an ereader.). It was my first experience with a tablet as well, and even though it's kind if heavy and clunky compared to newer ereaders, I still have it and it still works well.  A few years later I got a Nook STR and it also still works well.  The SD card slots were a nice bonus, since it meant that the books I had purchased in the past could easily live on the new ereader. 

                           

                          Once I got that first Nook Color, I did all my book purchasing at B and N, unless the book I wanted wasn't available or cost over $2 more in the Nook store. Now that my Nookbooks are effectively locked up in B and N's cloud, I doubt that I will buy any more books from them.  (Please don't tell me again that I can download them to my computer via the Nook app.  I can't even sign into the app anymore).

                           

                          Over the years I also acquired a Kindle Fire, an e-ink kindle and a couple of iPads.  All of them are nicer than my Nooks.  While I understand and even agree with those who prefer B and N's business practices over Amazon's,  Amazons customer service is light years ahead of B and N.  At the moment, I can't think of a good reason why I should continue to support or prefer B and N.

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                            kamas716

                            When I was first thinking about going to eBooks I did a bunch of research into the various devices and stores. I ended up choosing the NST because it seemed like a better device than the Kindle (I definitely didn't want a keyboard) plus it was more versatile. At the time you couldn't get library books on a Kindle, and the epub format offered a wider selection of stores over Amazon's proprietary format.

                             

                            In terms of hardware, I still think the NST/G is a nearly perfect device. I wish B&N would have kept the NST line (with the physical buttons, contoured back and SD card slot) and updated the screen, memory and OS (still waiting for them to come out with a decent shelving option). I have my doubts about B&N surviving to the end of the decade, we'll see what comes. I've been getting more eBooks from Google lately.

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                                luvbooksCM

                                My experience was similar to what Kamas716 said. I researched all eink devices available at the time and had settled on the Alex by SpringDesign because I thought it brought the best of both worlds. Then I saw the N1E at my local B&N and fell head over heels. I liked the the design of the Nook better than the Alex (too tall) and I never cared for the keyboard on the Kindle. I still use my N1E almost daily although the original battery barely holds a charge. I eventually purchased the Nook HD and have been very pleased with it. I like the fact that I have access to Google PLay Store and that I can put the Kindle app on my Nook. It broadens my choices in where I can purchase ebooks. I also like being able to go into my local B&N for assistance and to purchase the occasional dead tree book. After witnessing the demise of several physical book store, I would be very sad indeed if B&N were no longer around or if they started closing stores to where I didn't have one within an hours drive.

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                                msmoonlite

                                I wonder if the powers that be read these boards. They need to know how much they've squandered their customer goodwill. They would also see that there are plenty of customers who would come back to BN if they would just do some pretty basic things.

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                                    Mercury_Glitch

                                    I rather doubt it.  I had to fight to get the redeem code thing added to the device, I'm not even sure if it was my voice that did it or the sheer number of other voices that came from above me.

                                     

                                    The change I do know I had a part in was the B1G1 weekend deals being changed so the books offered had things in common.

                                     

                                    Sadly since then I've not been on another conference call with the Nook folks.  However the focus, from what I have heard, is apparently shifting to trying to be a content company.  Which leaves me wondering if they're really interested in making fundamental changes to the hardware.

                                     

                                    Please note I am in absolutely no way stating B&N is getting out of the device business.  I have not heard anything of that sort, in fact we have a new Samsung releasing soon (details are on signs in stores, it's the 10.1).  I don't know when they'll put out a new eink device.

                                     

                                    At this point that device has a lot steeper of a hill to climb to impress me.

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                                    RHWright

                                    I used to have a strong preference for NOOK based on my view of the companies and what the devices offered.

                                     

                                    That has slowly eroded and continues to more quickly.

                                     

                                    I do most of my reading on my Google Nexus now. It allows me to be retailer agnostic. I have NOOK, Kindle, and Aldiko apps on it, as well as Adobe Reader. Pretty much if it's out there, I can read it.

                                     

                                    B&N used to have an edge with me on reputation and service, but that respect has seriously declined. I get better service from Amazon, though I question whether the short term vs. long term benefits of it.

                                     

                                    If I had to buy an eink ereader to replace my NST today, I would lean toward the Kindle Voyage or something from Kobo.

                                     

                                    The bloom is well worn off the B&N rose and they need something major to bring it back. Sad, really.

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                                        keriflur

                                        RHWright wrote:

                                         

                                        If I had to buy an eink ereader to replace my NST today, I would lean toward the Kindle Voyage or something from Kobo.

                                        My KPW is almost at capacity, so I expect I'll have a voyage ordered before the end of the year. I've almost pulled the trigger twice (once I ordered and then cancelled a few minutes later). The deterrent is the price, and the lack of hands-on reviews. A strong review showing when the device goes live and a nice Black Friday sale will push me into ordering.

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                                            bobstro

                                            I was unexpectedly upgraded to a room with a jacuzzi in glorious Globe, AZ this week, so I took a soak with my shiny new Kobo H2O. Other than difficulty reading through a surprising amount of bubbles, it worked perfectly. Now I have to remember to panic when my other electronics get wet.

                                             

                                            I'm liking it so much, I'm using it even for reading tech titles, something that was difficult on a 6 inch or smaller eInk screen. (I'm unlikely to run out of space since it'll take a 32 GB card.)

                                             

                                            I prefer the open epub format used by B&N, Kobo, Google and others to the proprietary mobi/AZW3 format used by Amazon. Although both can be manipulated in the same ways, Amazon is free to impose changes to their format at any time, while epub vendors must maintain some degree of interoperability. DRM breaks a lot of that, and Adobe's behavior bothers me nearly as much as Amazon's, but I am still more comfortable with some interoperability between epubs purchased from a variety of sources and reader alternatives than a single source.

                                             

                                            Epubs from a variety of sources on a Kobo reader is my current preferred option for reading on eInk. On a color device, epubs with Moon+Reader best suits my needs.

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                                          BeachCatFan

                                          I have several NOOKS (1st ed., Color, ST, and STGL)  and a Kindle Paperwhite. I much prefer my Nooks because of the operating system. When I ran out of space on my NOOK ST, I decided to buy the Kindle, hoping that the operating system was different than the one used on the Kindle app for iPad or Android...........wrong!! I find the whole system clunky and very difficult to navigate. God forbid you should look at anything else on your Kindle or download new books while still in the midst of reading a book.....you'd better make sure you remember the title of that book, because you're going to have to look real hard for it!! There is no "Reading Now" in the library menu. I hate it!! The only reason I still use the thing is because I have found so many more free books for Kindle than for NOOK.

                                           

                                          I hate the Kindle operating system so much, that I bought a STGL a few months ago so I could get all of my NOOK books on it and actually enjoy using an e-reader!

                                           

                                          Any suggestions as to what to do with my accumulation of older, working NOOKS? Every time I open the "NOOK drawer", I just shake my head...........seems like such a waste to have them just sitting there, unused! I actually have TWO NCs not being used!!

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                                              eaglewomanEP

                                              Two suggestions- one you could keep it and use it when you want to lend a book to some one.

                                              Or you could give it to some one who would enjoy it and can't afford it.

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                                                bobstro

                                                I'd definitely keep one or more of the eink devices for outdoor reading. Was the N1E touchscreen? If not, stick it in a bag for jacuzzi/beach reading. The NST/NSTG don't work so well for that.

                                                 

                                                You can probably still get a decent amount for the KPW on craigslist. You could try selling the NCs though I wouldn't expect much. You might just offer them up for free on craigslist if you just want to declutter.

                                                 

                                                You'd have to check around to see what charitys want. I suppose you could load them up with some free ebooks and donate them to a hospital or old folk's home.

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                                                    keriflur

                                                    The N1E is touchscreen for commands (it's the one with the two screens, one color), and it's capacitive so you really can't use a bag unless you get one specifically for that.

                                                     

                                                    Charities like Salvation Army will often take anything they can sell, but yeah, it's worth checking before driving out.  FWIW, I generally give my old tech to kids (like my nephews or friends' kids) or my parents.

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                                                        bobstro
                                                        [...] The N1E is touchscreen for commands (it's the one with the two screens, one color), and it's capacitive so you really can't use a bag unless you get one specifically for that.

                                                         

                                                        I actually had better luck with capacitive screens in bags for reading in wet settings than with the IR sensors. The IR sensors registered anything that broke the beam (esp. the bag) as a press, while capacitive required an actual screen press with a finger... at least most of the time. I found my 7 inch cheap Android tablet was the most usable until I picked up the Kobo H2O.

                                                         

                                                        The Kobo uses IR, so they've obviously tuned it to be selective using the same underlying technology. I never would have thought IR would work in a waterproof device.

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                                                    LectorGS

                                                    I prefer Nook basically because it was my first tablet, kind of, device ever.  I was introduced to the world of e-reading and ever since my reading experience has not what it used to be.  The customer service at the stores is far superior than that online or on the phone.  I am not a big fan of the Dark side, aka, amazon.com, so I decided to stick with the big bookstore. 

                                                     

                                                    I am looking forward to a new e-ink device that will bring a lot of changes to the current products.  I was never satisfied with the NookGlowlight, so I still use my old NST, and sometimes I turn on my N1E 3G and read from it.  I have had the opportunity to use the KPW, and I must admit that it is a phenomenal device, however, it's an amazon product.  I am hoping B&N comes up with something similar to either the KPW or the Auras from Kobo.  It's particularly funny that some of the participants of these forums used to shun this company.  It is not surprising that some of them, myself included, have joined Kobo's ranks. 

                                                     

                                                    I wholeheartedly hope that B&N will revisit the e-ink reader concept soon and will present its customers a more up-to-date e-ink device capable of competing with the current devices in the market.  It's, IMO, one of the best options for survival.

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                                                        bobstro

                                                        LectorGS wrote:

                                                        [...] I have had the opportunity to use the KPW, and I must admit that it is a phenomenal device, however, it's an amazon product.  I am hoping B&N comes up with something similar to either the KPW or the Auras from Kobo.  It's particularly funny that some of the participants of these forums used to shun this company.  It is not surprising that some of them, myself included, have joined Kobo's ranks.

                                                        I've been reading comparisons between the Kobo H2O and Kindle Voyage, and I'm surprised that the H2O seems to be holding its own. The screen is apparently as good, and the larger size is a plus. The only "complaints" have been about the use of IR with the recessed bezel versus capacitive touch screen technology, and lack of buttons on the H2O.

                                                         

                                                        The IR and recessed bezel doesn't annoy me. I had a preference for capacitive screens for sticking a device in a waterproof bag, but the H2O renders that point moot. I can't say the shadows from the bezel have ever bothered me. I would like buttons, but can live without them. I'm glad they're suddenly hip again.

                                                         

                                                        I know it'll never happen, but if B&N is looking for a partner to manufacture the next-gen NOOK eink device, they should at least look at what Kobo's doing as a baseline.

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                                                            keriflur

                                                            The only device that I ever had trouble with bezel shadows on was the Kobo Aura. The screen is capacitive and there is no bezel, but that's just the glass surface - the e-ink actually sits below that, so there is a little bit of shadow. On kepubs this wasn't a problem because they display with a header space, but for epubs the text was right at the top of the screen, and I had to tilt the device to read it because of the shadow.

                                                             

                                                            I think it'd be awesome if Kobo and B&N merged operations, with Kobo making the devices and B&N handling sales and support. It would make sense from a device perspective - Kobo makes great devices but has almost no distribution in the US, and B&N has lots of stores from which it can sell devices and provide in-person support. The rub is when it comes to content. IMO Kobo is pretty incompetent at that too, but I doubt they see it that way.

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                                                                bobstro

                                                                keriflur wrote:

                                                                [...] I think it'd be awesome if Kobo and B&N merged operations, with Kobo making the devices and B&N handling sales and support. It would make sense from a device perspective - Kobo makes great devices but has almost no distribution in the US, and B&N has lots of stores from which it can sell devices and provide in-person support. The rub is when it comes to content. IMO Kobo is pretty incompetent at that too, but I doubt they see it that way.

                                                                Kobo does do the "affiliate" thing where a bookstore can set some branding and a configuration setting on a device to get credit (of some sort) when a customer later buys ebooks on a Kobo. I sure don't see B&N jumping at that, but I agree, it would be an awesome pairing.

                                                                 

                                                                What's really interesting is that Kobo seems to have successfully raised the bar for "premium" eink device pricing. While I know FT likes to deride the Kobo Aura HD as a flop, its legacy lives on. Part of that is it reset consumer expectations, offering a premium device for far more than had been the previous trend. I don't think it's an accident that Amazon is suddenly releasing $200+ premium readers. This, I think, does validate the point that consumers who own eink devices are willing to pay a bit more, both for volume of content and quality of device experience.

                                                                 

                                                                Perhaps B&N can re-enter the eink arena with their own premium device. Assuming it actually offers premium features, it might be more profitable for them. They do need to get the features right, and finally fix those long-standing annoyances.

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                                                                    keriflur

                                                                    Bob George wrote:

                                                                    Perhaps B&N can re-enter the eink arena with their own premium device. Assuming it actually offers premium features, it might be more profitable for them. They do need to get the features right, and finally fix those long-standing annoyances.

                                                                    IMO this is where the market is going. The e-ink advances are moving slower, and improvements aren't coming down in price fast enough to offer top-level devices for $99. Yet companies have been searching for ways to get folks who already own devices to part with them, to spend more $$ on the latest and greatest. And consumers now know that they can keep a device for many years, so it's okay to spend a little more. So you end up with two tiers - the entry-level device and the premium device. B&N has a great entry-level device in the NGL. But if they want to keep the e-ink market share they have, they're going to need to offer a premium device.

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                                                                        LectorGS

                                                                        A new, high quality, and extremely competitive e-ink device would bring B&N back to e-readers arena. The most recent device, the Glowlight, was a sad attempt to compete.The KPW and the Voyager have tempted a lot of non-e-ink believers who may start reading using these devices. Amazon does not have physical stores which renders having an idea of what the actual devices look like in person impossible. You either watch their videos or go to a store that may have a display of amazon's devices.

                                                                         

                                                                        B&N has the stores.  Displaying this new e-ink device is a more palatable experience for those who have been contemplating the idea of transitioning from physical books to e-books.  This would be a great moment to reconquer some of the e-book market that has been lost to the competitors. 

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                                                                            Mercury_Glitch

                                                                            I keep hoping a new eink device will be launched, I do not see that happening this year, the holidays are too close and we've seen no real hints anywhere about B&N releasing one.

                                                                             

                                                                            When they do come out with  a new eink device it's going to have some pretty hefty copetition to beat with the Aura HD, Aura H20, and the Voyager.

                                                                             

                                                                            Personally I'm not interested in going back to a smaller screen now that I've experienced 6.8", I can live without the font and margin manipulation Kobo offers, though I'd rather not give these features up.

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                                                                                keriflur

                                                                                I'm happy with the 6" screen. I do hope they go lighter in weight, but not smaller than the NGL - with the Aura, which has a smaller bezel, I found myself accidentally turning pages. Lighter, and possibly thinner, means longer reading with one hand without having to brace it on anything. But ultimately, for me to come back, they need to get the lighting and the screen right. If it's not as good as my KPW, I won't buy it. For me, the screen makes the reading experience.