59 Replies Latest reply on Oct 31, 2014 4:02 AM by TarHeelGirl00

    Is it worth switching from Nook HD to SGT4N?

    luvbooksCM

      I've had my Nook HD for appx. 1.5 yrs. I'm overall very pleased with it, but it's starting to act a little squirrely. It's been crashing or freezing more lately. I was reading last night and the screen froze several times and became unresponsive. A few times while doing some light browsing of the B&N website (and a few other sites), it crashed and went back to the book I was reading. I've noticed the touchscreen has become less responsive and the battery life has diminished greatly. I'm not ready to give up on it yet, but thought I would start doing a little research on a replacement. I tend to hang onto my devices for a long time, as long as they are still working!

       

      I was in my local B&N yesterday and took a look at the new Samsung Nook. I think the screen resolution is better on the Nook HD, but I'm wondering if anyone has had both devices and what their opinion and experience has been using both devices. Pros & cons of each. Is the Samsung Nook a better device or is it just different? I played around with the demo version in the store, but it's not quite the same as having had one for a while to really get to know it. I'm not interested in the eink device since I still have my N1E and it still suits my needs. Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts & experiences with both devices.

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          bobstro

          I'd try getting the HD healthy 1st, but if it's really dying, the NGTS is a decent little tablet. Just be sure you can live with its limitations. An alternative might be another general-purpose tablet if it has more features you want (at a cost, of course). I wouldn't dump a working HD or HD+ for the NGTS, but it is a surprisingly nice format to read on. I was disappointed in the limitations B&N put on the software for storage of ebook and magazines purchased from B&N. If you have only a modest collection of those, it's fine. The budget Samsungs are a great value for the money. If you are willing to spend more, another tablet such as the Samsung Galaxy Tab S or Pro series with the B&N apps loaded might be more to to your liking.

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              luvbooksCM

              Thanks! I'm going back to B&N this weekend to play with the Samsung Nook table some more. I can live with my HD for now. The freezing/crashing is annoying, but nothing I can't put up with since it's infrequent. If it gets to the point where it's doing it consistently, I'll have to consider replacing it. I'm one of those folks who likes to do a lot of research before purchasing, so I want to be ready...just in case!

              I think the nook offers everything I would need in a tablet. I'm not a heavy user. Mainly I use it for entertainment, mostly reading, but I like being able to check email, do a little surfing and play a few games. I don't own a personal computer, the one I use is shared by a lot of people, but my Nook is mine all mine! I'll certainly take a look at other tablets that will allow me to use a Nook app. I don't have enough knowledge to alter tablets to allow other things, so the walled in garden is mostly ok for me. I probably have 500 ebooks and a number of magazines for Nook, so whatever I choose, I want to make sure I have access to all that content.Maybe I'll take a peek at the Google tablet and see if I like the interface on that one.

              Thanks for your help!

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                TarHeelGirl00

                bobstro wrote:

                 

                I was disappointed in the limitations B&N put on the software for storage of ebook and magazines purchased from B&N. If you have only a modest collection of those, it's fine.

                I didn't realize there were limitations on B&N purchases. What is the approximate storage limit for e-books?

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                    bobstro

                    The limitations on B&N purchases are entirely due to B&N's bone-headed software design decisions. While the B&N Video app let's you store content on a card, the B&N Library app by the same company inexplicably does not. Someone obviously specified it for one, but it was overlooked for the other. This means you're limited solely to the internal storage for B&N-purchased ebook and magazine content if you're using the B&N apps. Even if you sideload, there are issues such as lack of covers, magazines not working and inability to delete content from the B&N apps.

                     

                    The 16 GB internal storage on the NGTS 10 mitigates this somewhat, but it's still a ridiculous limitation. On the 8 GB NGTS 7, I had about 3.5 GB available out of the box as I recall. This was before loading any apps. With magazines often weighing in at 200 MB plus per-issue, it didn't take me too many months of falling behind on my reading to have to start to play the manage-your-library game. Not something I want on a device with a 32 GB card sitting there unused. With, I assume, something like 12.5 GB on the NGTS 10, you'd at least have more of a buffer, but you'd need to watch what you install if you like a large library with you on your travels. This was one of the main motivators for moving to ebooks for me. I returned my NGTS 7 after a few days. If B&N made some trivial fixes to their apps - copy the code from the Video app guys! - I might try again. Then again, the competition is fierce, even from Samsung.

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                        luvbooksCM

                        Bob George - that's very good information. I'll keep those points in mind when considering memory storage on my next device. I'm almost at capacity on my 8gb Nook, but that's with my entire library of books/mags and a few apps loaded. I wish I had paid more attention to memory when I selected the 8gb device, but I don't think I had a full grasp of what "memory" meant when I was selecting a device. It sounded like a lot to me since my n1e is only 2gb if I recall. I hadn't anticipated how much space magazines & apps required. At least the HD is a good starter tablet to learn on. I can now take all those lessons and suggestions from folks who have more experience than I, and make a more informed decision when I'm ready to replace my HD.

                         

                        Thanks for all the great information in these posts!

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                          TarHeelGirl00

                          Thanks for the detailed response!  That is good information to know.

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                      junonia-shell

                      I just got back from checking out the 10 inch SGT4N. I must say, it's a very nice tablet. My only drawback is that I miss the bezel. I think that is what separated B&N tablets from just being any old tablet. It is easier to grasp a hold of my HD+. Like you, I've noticed my Hd+ acting a little more hinky lately. I've bought a lot of game apps for it and I hate to think I'd lose them if I just went with a regular tablet.

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                          captainnook

                          Did it feel too heavy? I like the weight of the 7", easy to hold in one hand, but the 10" looks heavy. I guess I'll have to go down to the store and try it out.

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                              junonia-shell

                              It's hard to tell because they have it hooked up to an anti-theft device dohickey thing. I'm use to the HD+, so it doesn't feel heavier to me. It's actually thinner than the HD+.

                              The HD+ weighs about 18.2oz.

                              The 10 inch SGT4N weighs 17.28.

                              So I'm assuming it's a little lighter.

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                                MacMcK1957

                                According to the listed specs (now that I know where to find them), the new one is a smidge lighter than the HD+.  The 10.1 is 489.9g/17.28 oz where the HD+ was 513g/18.08 oz.

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                                    luvbooksCM

                                    I agree with junonia-shell about the bezel. I really like the bezel on my Nook HD. for the same reasons.

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                                        bobstro

                                        Keep in mind that the 10.1 inch NGTS has the exact same resolution as the 7 inch. It still looks nice and bright, but those pixels are going to stand out more. I had the previous generation of the Note which had the same resolution, and while it was certainly usable, it's nowhere near as crisp as a higher-resolution display. Text was definitely a bit more pixilated.

                                         

                                        Rather than compare the 7 and 10 inch Samsungs in a B&N to make your final decision, I'd recommend hitting a Best Buy or other store where you can compare the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 to other 10 inch tablets side-by-side to be sure you won't miss the extra resolution for the difference in cost.

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                                            DeanGibson

                                            Bob George wrote:

                                             

                                            Keep in mind that the 10.1 inch NGTS has the exact same resolution as the 7 inch.

                                             

                                            I reacted to your use of the term "resolution" to refer to "pixels per dimension (width x height)" rather than "pixels per inch (or other dimensional unit)", until I checked Wikipedia to find that your usage is the common one.  I tend to think of resolution in terms of optics (eg, lens resolving power), but it seems that is now called "pixel density".

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                                                bobstro

                                                Ever since the arguments over the term "hacker", I've decided to use the term everybody expects and just grit my teeth . Or, as granddaddy used to say, "my tooth". )

                                                 

                                                The data sheets all seem to say "resolution", and since that what consumers reference, close enough!

                                                 

                                                I still consider myself a hacker though.

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                                                    keriflur

                                                    What were the arguments over the "hacker" term? Has that definition changed and I don't know it?

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                                                        DeanGibson

                                                        See Hacker (term) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , which I generally agree with.  I generally use the term in a  negative way, to refer to amateur programmers who write or modify programs knowing very little about proper software engineering practices (analogous to someone "hacking" through the jungle with a machete).  Most people who apply the term to themselves with pride, prove my point (Bob being an arguable exception).  The term can also refer to a criminal element, although as the article states, a better term is "security cracking".

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                                                            keriflur

                                                            This is interesting. I suppose when you break the term down to its most basic definition, "someone who hacks," the realm of possible meanings becomes clear.

                                                             

                                                            I've always thought of a hacker as someone who is good at making something work for them, a la "Lifehacker." A computer hacker would thus be someone who is good at making computers work for them. Some of those folks are criminals, some aren't, but most (in my mind) have the skills to be, or are heading in a direction that would give them the skills to be if they so chose. Obviously skills are tools, they can be used for good or ill.*

                                                             

                                                            That said, my father would often say, "he's a hack," when talking about someone who did a crap job at something, so I can see where "hacker" would fit there too.

                                                             

                                                            *It took me three tries to type "good;" I kept typing "food." It's very strange as I'm not hungry at all.

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                                                          captainnook

                                                          Bob George wrote:

                                                           

                                                          Ever since the arguments over the term "hacker", I've decided to use the term everybody expects and just grit my teeth .

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          I know. I have to refer to the Hacker's Dictionary as "the jargon file", or else people think I'm taking about some kind of subversive manifesto. I know, I know, it kind of is a subversive manifesto, but not in the sense that most people associate with hacking.

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                                                              luvbooksCM

                                                              I've been doing additional research on tablets and watching a lot of youtube video reviews of different tablets, and the top contender for me is the Ipad Air. Armed with a lot of information, I'm heading back to BB this weekend to do more comparisons.

                                                              I've decided that my next tablet will be a larger size. Even though my Nook HD 7" is acting a little jumpy lately, it still works and it's still usable. Since I already have a portable 7" form factor, I thought it might be nice to try a larger screen for watching movies. I have a few video apps (Crackle, NBC, Smithsonian)  plus a few movies & free videos I've picked up at B&N/Google, so the larger screen is what I've decided on. I've done some browsing in Apples app store and I can get the PBS app which would be great and of course the Google PLay app and B&N book & movie apps.

                                                               

                                                              One thing I wasn't that keen on with the new Samsung Nooks, is that it just doesn't remind me of B&N. I like the B&N skin on the Nook HD better than what I'm seeing on the SGT4N. It doesn't even have the nook logo on it anywhere. One silly reason why I'll never get rid of my N1E is that it's the only device that has both the Nook and Barnes & Noble branding on it, plus the "n" embossed on the back panel and the "n" home button. Maybe I'm too sentimental. I also noticed in my research is that you have to set up 3 accounts with this new Samsung Nook. One for B&N, one for Google and one for Samsung.  That seems like too many accounts to have for one device. Granted, I already have the B&N account, and a partial Google account (no payment info) ...just enough so that I can get a few free apps/videos from the Google store, but if I'm going to set up a 3rd account somewhere, I might as well explore Apple's options. I really liked the mini, but it's too close to my Nook HD form factor, so the Air really appealed to me. Going back to the store to do more hands on with all the devices and I'll be keeping an eye out at Apple for a refurbished unit. I'm thinking 32 GB might be a good.

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                                                                  bobstro

                                                                  You do not have to set up a Samsung account. It's just that Samsung provides some goodies (e.g. the 50% accessory discount, Kindle for Samsung free books) if you do. Samsung is winding down some of their services anyhow. When I got my first Samsung Note (with the digital stylus), there were some apps tailored for it that were only available in Samsung's store, but most have equivalents in the Google Play Store now. If you had a Samsung phone, there are also the Samsung health apps, but those don't apply on a tablet.

                                                                   

                                                                  You're going to wind up with two accounts in any case: Your device app store (Apple or Google -- or Amazon) and B&N. I wouldn't make a buy decision based on some arbitrary "account count" concern. If you already have a Google account that lets you download apps, that's all you need. You are not forced to use the other Google apps if you don't want to, though I personally like them, especially Newsstand.

                                                                   

                                                                  You can always personalize your device, regardless of type, with a "B&N look". It's easy enough to create a wallpaper to display on the home screen. You could even get DecalGirl to create you a B&N-themed skin if there are images you like that you can send them.

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                                                                  bobstro

                                                                  captainnook wrote:

                                                                  I know. I have to refer to the Hacker's Dictionary as "the jargon file", or else people think I'm taking about some kind of subversive manifesto. I know, I know, it kind of is a subversive manifesto, but not in the sense that most people associate with hacking.

                                                                  Unfortunately, those attitudes show up even here. More than once, I got into a terse discussion with one particular developer here who repeatedly implied that those who root are linked to piracy, and not "customers of goodwill" (or some such nonsense). We see the same false association of DRM removal to piracy. Knowledge apparently makes you a bad customer in people's minds, never mind how much you actually spend with B&N. Even B&N doesn't trust their own paying customers with having access to purchased titles. One has to find old app versions or B&N devices to access an actual epub file.

                                                                   

                                                                  There's a tendency to equate a thirst for knowledge with evil for some reason, at least in the US, these days. Knowing what you're talking about or how things work makes you an elitist or a criminal to a lot of people. We're supposed to trust the black boxes that are pushed on us without question. The sheeple aren't supposed to know how things work.

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                                                                      luvbooksCM

                                                                      That's good to know that I'm not required to set up a Samsung account. The reviews I watched didn't say it was optional. I don't have a smartphone, never felt the need for one, just a regular old slider phone (talk/text)...not even a touchscreen so I'm really in the dark ages phonewise! But it suits my needs.

                                                                      Still lots to consider, but the only thing  I've narrowed down is the size. I'm definitely going with a larger sized tablet. MobileTechReview on youtube has a good comparison "smackdown" video on the ipad Air and Samsung 10.1 tablet. Very detailed comparison.

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                                                                          keriflur

                                                                          I've never had a 10-inch Android tablet, so I can't compare, but I adore my ipad. The screen is great for watching movies and tv - sometimes when I'm between books I take it to bed with me to watch stuff. And the new one's so light I can comfortably hold it with one hand. I took it to work with me on Monday and while I could feel the extra weight in my bag (it's still almost a pound), it was a lot easier on my shoulder than the old 1.5 lb version. I gave my ipad 4 (2-years old and still runs the latest software, iOS 8.1 and all the apps, smooth as butter) to my husband, and he's drawing on it every night.

                                                                           

                                                                          I know it's anecdotal and not a comparison against the other tabs out there, but I just love the darn thing so much I can't help but tell everyone how great it is.

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                                                                  captainnook

                                                                  bobstro wrote:

                                                                   

                                                                  Rather than compare the 7 and 10 inch Samsungs in a B&N to make your final decision, I'd recommend hitting a Best Buy or other store where you can compare the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 to other 10 inch tablets side-by-side to be sure you won't miss the extra resolution for the difference in cost.

                                                                  Quoted for excellence of value! Besides, the Best Buy is closer to me than the local B&N.

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                                                          keriflur

                                                          Just to toss the option out there, the iPad mini 2 is a very nice device, with the same specs as the just-released mini 3 (minus the touchID), and certified refurbs are going for as little as $250 sold direct from Apple. It's a retina 7-inch device and has a great nook app.

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                                                            seacitylady

                                                            I have an HD+ & having no problems so I think I'll stick with it for awhile longer. I was one of the people who bought it at full price so I want to get my money's worth. I definitely want to stay with a larger tablet but, for the price, I think there may be better alternatives then the new BN offering. The professional reviews on this device have not been kind to either the BN/Samsung or the Samsung model it is based on. I agree 16gb is just not enough memory & the screen resolution is somewhat mediocre. If it goes down in price to the $179 range (which is what happened with the HD+) I might consider it. However, I am not happy with some of the BN moves of late including eliminating the ability to download you books directly in order to back them up. Right now there are many other Android devices with comparable specs at a lower price point &, if you are on the fence do some research and check them out in a big box store where you can get some hands on time. I do like the Nook reading experience but when I played with the new device at the store it did not seem the same. It was more like reading in the Nook app on a Samsung device. 

                                                             

                                                            I also have an Ipad 3 which I don't normally read on as I can't use Calibre Companion like I can with the Nook HD+. I love this app & it just keeps getting better. If they make an IOS version I will get the Ipad Air. I think the developers have a willingness to do so but trying to get approval to be in the ITunes store is a major hurdle. Otherwise I would probably look at the Samsung Tab Pro model which is pricey but a considerable step up from what the lower end model used in the BN offering. I have purchased every new model BN has offered but, sadly there is no real compelling reason to buy this one.

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                                                                luvbooksCM

                                                                Thanks keriflur & seacitylady for the additional information. I want to go back to BB and play with the tablets some more, but I was real impressed with the ipad last weekend (although I kept setting off the anti-theft alarm by trying to turn it around to look at it and feel the weight). The build quality felt top notch, the screen was beautiful and it felt very responsive. I looked on Apple website and I can get a 32gb Air refurbished for $389. That seems like a good price. I know Apple is know for having any app you could possibly wish for in their app store.

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                                                                    DeanGibson

                                                                    luvbooksCM wrote:

                                                                     

                                                                    .... I know Apple is known for having any app you could possibly wish for in their app store. ...

                                                                     

                                                                    They would like you to think that, but it isn't true.  One example:  Android's "WiFi Analyzer" (root not needed) is one of the most popular apps in the Google Play store, and yet Apple deletes any such apps that appear in their apps store, because it uses "unauthorized" access to the operating system.

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                                                                        keriflur

                                                                        Dean Gibson wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        luvbooksCM wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        .... I know Apple is known for having any app you could possibly wish for in their app store. ...

                                                                         

                                                                        They would like you to think that, but it isn't true.  One example:  Android's "WiFi Analyzer" (root not needed) is one of the most popular apps in the Google Play store, and yet Apple deletes any such apps that appear in their apps store, because it uses "unauthorized" access to the operating system.

                                                                        ...any app you could possibly wish for if you are a non-super-techy person...

                                                                         

                                                                        The truth, which is an unfortunate one if you aren't an apple fan, is that when big non-tech companies decide to create an app, they create the iOS app first. It's widely known in the marketing industry that iOS device owners spend more money on mobile and online than non-iOS owners (as a group - there will always be individual variation). So as a whole, there are more apps and more quality apps built for iOS. There will always be certain apps that exist only on Android (K-9 mail is the one I miss most), but they are the exception rather than the rule. This is true regardless of which platform you prefer.

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                                                                            luvbooksCM

                                                                            This is all very good information to digest. I'm not an Apple fan or Android fan.....I'm sure I will get a quality tablet regardless of which one I choose. I'm not super-techy, either, but who know where it will lead? Right now, my usage would be mainly entertainment with email. I've been checking apps that I would use for availability in both app stores and the one app I'm not seeing in GooglePla,y  that I would absolutely love to have, is the PBS app. I would love to be able to watch programming that I missed on my tablet (or possibly send it to the tv?). I'm leaning towards the Air because I think it will be nice to learn the IOS platform since my Nook is an android platform. Sort of the best of both worlds.

                                                                            That leads me to a question I hadn't thought to investigate: Can I attach the ipad to my tv to watch programming? The tv is more my husbands domain so I don't know much about it, but I believe it's a Samsung HD smart television 42". I need to watch a little more youtube "how to" videos on the ipad and see if there is a tutorial on attaching your ipad to the tv.

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                                                                                ewilson1114

                                                                                As far as iPad to TV connectivity, I know that some Smart TVs let you wirelessly send videos from an iOS device. My friend has a TV like that (I think hers is Samsung). In my opinion, the easiest way to do it is to buy an Apple TV, which you attach to your TV using HDMI (they cost $99 but Apple sells them for $75 refurbished). Then you can use Airplay (which is a feature of iOS and OS X) to send videos, music, pictures, etc to the Apple TV.

                                                                                You also can buy an adapter that lets you connect your iPad to HDMI.

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                                                                                    luvbooksCM

                                                                                    ewilson1114,

                                                                                    thanks for that information! It appears I have options in that respect. I'll do some research on Apple TV and Airplay and whether or not I have the type of TV required. Even if I don't, just being able to watch the programming on the tablet itself is still appealing on the larger size. I watch some video on my Nook. I like the Smithsonian & Crackle apps.

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                                                                                      keriflur

                                                                                      Yep, my husband tells me that Apple TV is the best way to get stuff from the ipad onto the tv (I asked him the other night - I knew nothing about it, and he's more into Apple than I am). For android, it's Chromecast. I hear Microsoft is coming out with something similar for the their product line.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      The tv you have *might* be internet connected, in which case it may already have apps on it to play the content that you're watching on your ipad. We've got a Sony tv and blu-ray player, and both the tv and player have hulu, youtube, amazon video, and some of the ultraviolet applications. If you install the same apps on your tablet, you can watch the same content on both. I buy stuff from Amazon (movies, shows) and watch them on my tv, and if I want to head to bed, I just pick up exactly where I left off on my ipad, without any of the device-to-tv tools.

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                                                                                      bobstro

                                                                                      There are options for displaying tablet content on your TV, if that's what you mean.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      1. Many devices support an HDMI out connection. On some, it's an HDMI port (typically mini or micro HDMI). On the higher-end Samsungs, there's a cable you can buy that provides the connection. These connect to an available HDMI port on your TV. Not all tablets support this connection.
                                                                                      2. A simpler option is the $35 Chromecast, a small "dongle" device that connects to an available HDMI port on your TV. Many (though not all) apps let you "cast" the display from your tablet to the TV. Youtube, Netflix, HBO Go, Google Play Movies, and many others have a cast button you tap to display on the TV. More are being added all the time. This lets you use your tablet essentially as a remote control for TV display. Chromecast works with any Android tablet so long as it supports wifi and you have a wifi network in your home. I carry a Chromecast dongle in my travel bag so I can watch what I want when stuck in a hotel.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I know Apple has Apple TV, but I have no idea if they support a similar option.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      The options vary by what exactly it is you want to watch.

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                                                                                    bobstro

                                                                                    Dean Gibson wrote:

                                                                                    They would like you to think that, but it isn't true.  One example:  Android's "WiFi Analyzer" (root not needed) is one of the most popular apps in the Google Play store, and yet Apple deletes any such apps that appear in their apps store, because it uses "unauthorized" access to the operating system.

                                                                                    Apple rejects apps for a number of reasons. Sometimes, just because they don't like them. A famous case is Tawkon, and app that helps users measure the amount of radiation they're exposed to from their phone. Steve Jobs famously rejected it and Apple gave some vague explanation about "confusing the marketplace".

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Apple's always been known for their "freedom from choice" approach.

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                                                                                        luvbooksCM

                                                                                        I've heard of Chromecast but wasn't exactly sure what it was. I'll have to also check it out if I go with Android.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        It looks like I had better pay more attention to the TV! I have no idea if it has apps on it or not. There isn't much I watch on TV other than Food Network, PBS, Turner Classics, Animal Planet...and the local/national news.Probably less than 10 or 12 hours a week and most of that is when running on the treadmill.

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                                                                                            bobstro

                                                                                            The Chromecast is great because, at $35 a pop, you can put one on every TV in the house affordably. The ability to resume shows in progress varies by app.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            Chromecast is different than Google TV, Amazon's Fire TV, Roku and (from what I've read) Apple TV. Those devices are essentially simple tablets that run apps and display to your TV. They have their own remote. Unfortunately, some of the content owners make it hard to use their apps on one class of device or another. Some apps will work on a tablet, but not Google TV (e.g. HBO Go). Others will work on Google TV but not tablets (e.g. Amazon's video app).

                                                                                             

                                                                                            The Chromecast is a far simpler device that depends on your tablet or smartphone to do all the browsing and searching. It just streams the content to your TV and nothing else. That's why it's so cheap. I find most things will work with a tablet+Chromecast combo, at least the things I watch regularly. I also find using my tablet keyboard and touchscreen easier than futzing with the various little remotes the smarter devices use. All I do is tap a button to change what display is used.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            There are still apps that don't support Chromecast output (e.g. NHL Gamecenter), so I use my HDMI-out cable for those when needed.

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                                                                                                keriflur

                                                                                                Bob George wrote:

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                Chromecast is different than Google TV, Amazon's Fire TV, Roku and (from what I've read) Apple TV. Those devices are essentially simple tablets that run apps and display to your TV...<snip>

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                The Chromecast is a far simpler device that depends on your tablet or smartphone to do all the browsing and searching. It just streams the content to your TV and nothing else. That's why it's so cheap.

                                                                                                Apple tv does both - it gives you all the "channels" and also lets you stream anything from your idevices. At least that's what I'm told.

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                I'd definitely check out the connectedness of the tv before looking too hard at any of these. I'd think, with it being a Samsung tv, that it's probably already got all the internet apps.

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                                                                                                    bobstro

                                                                                                    I've got Samsung TVs both with and without the smart apps. Although my one TV has them, I still prefer the Chromecast approach since it has more apps, and gives me the "remote" (the tablet) that's simple to use. It's also nice to have a consistent interface between TVs regardless of make or model. The Sony in the basement works same as Samung upstairs.

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    None if this really impacts the tablet so long as you buy one that integrates into your TV and/or Chromecast/Google TV/Apple-whatever ecosystem.

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                                                                                                        keriflur

                                                                                                        Bob George wrote:

                                                                                                         

                                                                                                        I've got Samsung TVs both with and without the smart apps. Although my one TV has them, I still prefer the Chromecast approach since it has more apps, and gives me the "remote" (the tablet) that's simple to use. It's also nice to have a consistent interface between TVs regardless of make or model. The Sony in the basement works same as Samung upstairs.

                                                                                                         

                                                                                                        None if this really impacts the tablet so long as you buy one that integrates into your TV and/or Chromecast/Google TV/Apple-whatever ecosystem.

                                                                                                        I'm of the mindset that I don't need a bunch of different products that all effectively do the same thing. We (hubby and I) talked about the Apple TV, but only if, when we move next, we decide against re-upping the Directv and going online only, and even then, it'll only happen if there are shows and such that we can't get through the existing channels built into the tv/blu-ray (which, every time I look, Sony has added channels - I could spend a half hour just scrolling through them all).

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                                                                                                      TarHeelGirl00

                                                                                                      Thanks for explaining Chromecast---I have seen it in Best Buy many times and always wondered how it worked!

                                                                                                       

                                                                                                      I have the HDTV Adapter Kit for my Nook HD+. I have used it with some of my B&N games and it's wonderful to be able to look at a larger screen. The drawback is that the cable tends to get in the way and it is not very long.

                                                                                                       

                                                                                                      Would I be able to use Chromecast for this? I am thinking probably not, but this is all new to me, so I thought I'd ask.

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                                                                                                          bobstro

                                                                                                          Apps have to be written to take advantage of the Chromecast. I believe newer Android versions will have some sort of "cast anything" capability, but I don't know all the details. On the HD+ I think you'll be limited to specific apps with support. These tend to be apps for video or music for the most part.

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                                                                                                              luvbooksCM

                                                                                                              This is all such great information. It helps to get advice from folks who know the products and use it themselves. Of course, it makes the decision harder! Chromecast certainly sounds very affordable and we only have one flat screen TV in the house. The other two TV's in our house are old Sony Trinitrons that are probably 20+ yrs old....but they still run great and I just can't justify replacing them. However,  if we were to ever move again, they are history. I refuse to lug those heavy things up one more flight of stairs! Not to mention that the price of flat screen TV's has dropped dramatically and they are so much more affordable.

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                                                                                                                TarHeelGirl00

                                                                                                                bobstro wrote:

                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                Apps have to be written to take advantage of the Chromecast. I believe newer Android versions will have some sort of "cast anything" capability, but I don't know all the details. On the HD+ I think you'll be limited to specific apps with support. These tend to be apps for video or music for the most part.

                                                                                                                Thanks! It sounds like the newer Android versions might be worth checking into, depending on the price.