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      • 1. Re: Stop Amazon? Really?

        I'm sure an article extolling the virtues of Amazon just happened to show up in a paper owned by the sociopath in charge of Amazon completely by chance.

        • 3. Re: Stop Amazon? Really?
          kamas716

          You know, I'm thinking that if the publishers are so concerned about eBooks with respect to Amazon, they could just stop selling through Amazon. Amazon uses a proprietary format. Unless the Kindle user also has an app that allows them to read epub they won't be reading anything new that Amazon doesn't already own. Sure, the publishers will take a hit for awhile, but eventually readers who want the book in electronic format are gonna either be buying an epub from someone else (and possibly reformatting it) or buying a DTB. Unfortunately, I don't think the publishers will each come up with the same response and hold fast without publicly cheering each other on, which could possibly be seen as collusion.

          • 4. Re: Stop Amazon? Really?
            MacMcK1957

            No, you can't boycott the 800-pound gorilla.  Amazon is, and will remain, the primary sales channel for e-books.  If Kindlers can't get the books they want, they'll find other authors from other publishers.  My wife is one of them.  She won't get a new device, and she won't go to the trouble of buying elsewhere and converting formats.  Very few will.

            • 5. Re: Stop Amazon? Really?
              keriflur

              Sure, some of them (a surprising number IMO) don't care what they read and will just pick from whatever Amazon has to offer. But if the Big 5 pull their books, and kindle owners can't get their Lee Child/Dan Brown/GRRM/whoever, Amazon IS going to have crowd control issues, from both angry masses and the flow to the exits.

               

              Bottom line: most folks care who and what they read.

              • 6. Re: Stop Amazon? Really?
                bobstro

                So don't sell to Kindlers. The problem is that Amazon is putting out the more compelling products right now. Maybe publishers and everybody that isn't Amazon should focus on that problem.

                 

                Apple didn't move from near-obscurity to market domination by making sure they could sell to the majority of the market, they offered something better. They innovated. Apple dominated in the smartphone space. Now there's competition and, arguably, equal if not superior devices and services. Nobody "stopped" Apple, and they didn't kowtow to Applers to do it. There are devices out there as good as, if not better than, the iPhone and iTab.

                 

                Compete by offering something better first. (And "better" is subjective.) I'm hardly a fan of Amazon, but a lot of this anti-Amazon yammering is asking for legal remedies rather than offering consumers anything better. Yes, Amazon sucks. No, it's unlikely anybody's going to step in and stop them. So now what? This has been going on long enough that someone should be coming up with ideas instead of insisting that "we" (consumers, government and everybody else) somehow "stop" Amazon.

                 

                Is the Kindle really the penultimate device? The best device possible to serve the needs of readers?

                 

                Sure, Mac's wife isn't changing soon. Why should she? There's nothing better being offered. That's the problem, not the fact that she finds Amazon easiest.

                 

                [Edit] I just read and agree with Keri's post. Yes, a lot of people, or at least people that spend a lot on books, care deeply about what and who's works they read. That is the strength of all-that-is-not-Amazon. So do something with it.

                • 7. Re: Stop Amazon? Really?
                  keriflur

                  If someone doesn't care who or what they read, do you really think they care about device quality and features? I'm going with no, they don't.

                  • 8. Re: Stop Amazon? Really?
                    bobstro

                    I agree, Keri. So perhaps it's time to just accept that those will be lost sales. Again, Apple didn't move to dominance by worrying about what the lowest-tier shoppers wanted in a music player or a phone or a tablet. They recognized who their demographic was and went about catering to their needs. Maybe the authors and publishers affected should realize that readers who don't care aren't who they should care about?

                     

                    I suspect there are more bodies in Walmart stores than Apple stores. Apple is doing just fine ignoring that fact.

                     

                    Kobo's demonstrated that people are willing to pay more for a quality reading device. Amazon seems to be following their lead for a change.

                    • 9. Re: Stop Amazon? Really?
                      MacMcK1957

                      Kobo has demonstrated that some people will pay more for a quality device.  Mrs. Mac is still using her four-year-old Kindle, and it suits her needs just fine.  I thought the improvement from the N1E to the NST worth the money of upgrading, but I probably wouldn't have gotten the NSTG if they hadn't fire-saled it prior to releasing the new Glow.  I suspect the mythical Julie (remember her?) is not looking for an upgraded device, and she buys a lot of books.

                      • 10. Re: Stop Amazon? Really?
                        bobstro

                        Good point, Mac. I didn't mean to imply that the entire population of eink owners out there would be willing to pay more (nearly double) for a higher-end device. But Kobo did demonstrate that there is a higher-end market for eink. Yeah, some can point out that the original Aura HD numbers weren't... blah blah blah. Nonetheless, Kobo has doubled-down with the H2O, which compares favorably with Amazon's new Voyage without trying to imitate it. I hesitated to lay out the cash for a KPW. When the H2O became available, I hardly hesitated. It offered the features I cared about, not just imitations of what Amazon offered.

                         

                        One point worth making is that Kobo doesn't actually manufacture the Auras. The same manufacturer would be happy to produce them to spec for anybody, and they've got some other very interesting options (e.g. pen annotation). My point is that a lot of the anti-Amazon mindset seems to be based on competing with Amazon on Amazon's terms by imitating Amazon's products. There are other opportunities out there, even if no one of them unseats Amazon.

                        • 11. Re: Stop Amazon? Really?
                          DeanGibson

                          Bob George wrote:

                           

                          ... Apple dominated in the smartphone space. ...

                           

                          By lying, and getting huge masses to believe them.

                           

                          When I iPhone first came out, there was an effusive article in the Seattle Times about how original the iPhone was.  I sent an eMail to the article's author about how everything that he extolled about the iPhone, I had been able to do on my Windows Mobile phone for the past year.  Surprisingly, he published my response.

                           

                          It didn't do any good.  Apple owners know that Al Gore invented the Internet, Steve Jobs invented the computer, and that "the iPad can do that" (a quote from my sister) in response to any tablet capability.

                           

                          I see that Apple brought out NFC purchases after my phone had it.  Unfortunately, the NFC purchase app on my Android phone was named "ISIS" (seriously).

                          • 12. Re: Stop Amazon? Really?
                            keriflur

                            Bob George wrote:

                            Kobo has doubled-down with the H2O, which compares favorably with Amazon's new Voyage without trying to imitate it.

                            Well, it would have been REALLY HARD to imitate the Voyage, as the H2O was out before the Voyage was announced.

                             

                            Bob, I suspect that even if the Voyage were a better device (and I suspect it is, and while I won't be doing a side-by-side like I did with the Aura and the Kindle, I'd expect similar results), you'd find a way to claim it wasn't.

                            • 13. Re: Stop Amazon? Really?
                              keriflur

                              Dean Gibson wrote:

                              I see that Apple brought out NFC purchases after my phone had it.  Unfortunately, the NFC purchase app on my Android phone was named "ISIS" (seriously).

                              You don't use Google Wallet? I've heard good things about it.

                               

                              I used to hate Apple because of all the "we invented it" crap. If they were telling the truth, they'd have said, "We stole it from the real innovators and spent a lot of money on marketing to make it look like we invented it." But those days are over, they're in the pack now, fighting with Samsung and getting duped on battery life by Motorola. IMO this is a good thing - competition leads to innovation. Apple Pay, IMO, is the outcome of that - it's more secure than any other form of phone-based NFC payment. That will push the whole market forward, and we will all see the gains of that.

                              • 14. Re: Stop Amazon? Really?
                                DeanGibson

                                keriflur wrote:

                                 

                                Dean Gibson wrote:

                                I see that Apple brought out NFC purchases after my phone had it.  Unfortunately, the NFC purchase app on my Android phone was named "ISIS" (seriously).

                                You don't use Google Wallet? I've heard good things about it.

                                 

                                ...

                                 

                                ISIS (now called "SoftCard") is distinct from Google Wallet.  I'd like the bugs to be ironed out of the whole NFC process, before I jump into that security morass.  Like the day after the iPhone w/ NFC was announced, Bank of America apologized for double-charging some iPhone NFC purchases.

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