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      • 15. Re: Black Friday Week-CyberMonday shopping season: Are you willing to share your input?
        Froide

        I'm sorry your NOOK HD is starting to fail. Fortunately mine is healthy, but nonetheless I, too, am preparing for the eventuality when I'll have to replace it.

         

        I'm uninterested in buying more iThings, and like you, I favor devices in the 7" range.The only serious contenders right now (in my opinion) are the Samsung Galaxy Tab S 4 16 GB (NOT the stingy-memory NOOK Sammie 8GB) and - even better - the Samsung Galaxy S series 8.4".

        • 16. Re: Black Friday Week-CyberMonday shopping season: Are you willing to share your input?
          luvbooksCM

          It was a good run with the Nook HD, but it's been resuscitated numerous times lately, so I'm taking that as a warning. I'm not in a real hurry now that I got the ipad air and can read both my Nook & Kindle books on it, but I like having the smaller form factor for travel and I like the idea of having access to both the itunes store and the Google Play store, so having one IOS device and one Android device is appealing to me. The Samsung S series is really very nice. The screen is beautiful. I'm just going to hang in there a bit longer and see if they extend the amoled screen to the 7" size, which is the size factor I would prefer, but I certainly wouldn't discount the 8.4" for portability. I just need to compare the two devices side by side (nook HD/Samsung S 8.4) to see the difference in device size and if I can easily stash the Samsung in my purse. I could always buy a bigger purse!

          It means more visits to Best Buy while I play with everything and mull it over.

           

          The only thing that I would miss is that I have some nook apps that I paid for that I don't think I could put on a non-nook device. Most of my apps from B&n were free, but a few I had purchased. I'm not worried about the B&N videos I have acquired since there is a B&N app for that and  I can watch it on the ipad, but apps might be a different story and I don't know if they can be side loaded to the Samsung S device.

          • 17. Re: Black Friday Week-CyberMonday shopping season: Are you willing to share your input?
            Froide

            Over the past week, I visited Best Buy, B&N, and Costco, and conducted side-by-side comparisons of my NOOK HD 7" with several of the Samsung tablets and the Note 4. During those visits and online I also compared prices and written specs. My findings:

            • I prefer having a separate smartphone and ereader, and I'm OK with reading on my smartphone in a pinch, so I'm unlikely to buy a Note 4
            • I prefer the 7" form factor
            • I require a device with a minimum of 16GB of memory (so the Nook Sammie is not a contender)
            • I hope my NOOK HD doesn't die anytime soon
            • 18. Re: Black Friday Week-CyberMonday shopping season: Are you willing to share your input?
              bobstro

              I was a dedicated Sony TV guy back in the CRT days. I've looked at their tablets, and would love an 8 inch waterproof model. They are expensive though, and the Quad HD vs HD screen mentioned at the end of the video would tilt me towards the Samsung if I were buying a device today.

               

              The main thing, though, is that there's no reason to stick with the NGTS if it doesn't do what you want. There are plenty of really nice devices to select from today.

              • 19. Re: Black Friday Week-CyberMonday shopping season: Are you willing to share your input?
                roustabout

                They did get the Android app fixed under Android L sometime last week, Bob.

                 

                I had not realized that BN had a 10 inch LCD device on the market until I saw this thread.  At first I thought the reference was a typo!

                 

                That should give BN some idea of how effectively they're marketing to existing device owners and existing forum readers.

                 

                I'm surprised by the resolution of the new device, though.  I was using the HD+ a little this weekend - I gave it to the Misspent Youth more than a year ago - and realized that there had been a few things about it I liked, the screen feel and weight for size being two of them.

                 

                He seems disinterested in actually using it to read with, sad to say, even after we'd watched the Adjustment Bureau and I said "yeah, I understood a lot of that, since I read the short story it was based on pretty recently" and then loaded a collection including said story for him.

                 

                BTW, there's a dogfight between the Philip K Dick estate and some of the folks involved in filming some of works based on his stories.  A chunk of the earlier writings may not have legitimate copyright - published when copyright had a 17 year window, without a true copyright filing, then republished but after the 17 year window.

                 

                One outcome is the story AB is based on, Adjustment Team

                • 20. Re: Black Friday Week-CyberMonday shopping season: Are you willing to share your input?
                  DeanGibson

                  roustabout wrote:

                   

                  ...  I was using the HD+ a little this weekend ...

                   

                  I have never understood why B&N "gave up" on the HD/HD+ and sold them all off, some at fire sale prices.  They made a good first step in adding Google Play to it.  All they needed to do was to take the next step and rip out all the OS idiosyncrasies (and bugs) that they added, and just convert them to a regular Android tablet with a Nook App.  The result would be similar to the "new" Samsung line, except for:

                   

                  1. they already owned all the inventory; and
                  2. the HD/+ units have a much better display than the corresponding Samsungs.

                   

                  While I realize that the HD/+ hardware may not have the latest teen features (eg, camera), they happen to run the latest Google software (v4.4.4) with ease.  Enough to please most people (including me), I would think.

                   

                  I sold my two HD units only after I bought LG tablets (with 4G) for about the same price.  Later, I sold one of my two HD+ (backup) units when I realized that my primary large tablet (an Acer A500) wasn't going to die any time soon (my first Acer A500 died prematurely).  The remaining HD+ is running CyanogenMod v11 (Android 4.4.4) with ease.

                  • 21. Re: Black Friday Week-CyberMonday shopping season: Are you willing to share your input?
                    bobstro

                    To keep selling the HD/+ series at a profit, the prices would need to be so high as to not be competitive. Sure, they could have made some changes to the series after the firesale pricing started, but it wouldn't have helped the bottom line.

                     

                    I think B&N was going for a return more to the "basic color reader" approach of the NC/NT era rather than any sort of upgrade to the HD/+. Much lower risk for them, Samsung gets all the headaches of supporting the OS and so on. The only shame is that B&N didn't fully take advantage of the modest hardware Samsung provided.

                    • 22. Re: Black Friday Week-CyberMonday shopping season: Are you willing to share your input?
                      DeanGibson

                      Bob George wrote:

                       

                      To keep selling the HD/+ series at a profit, the prices would need to be so high as to not be competitive.

                       

                      But B&N sold the HD/+ series near the end, for less than they are selling the Samsungs.

                       

                      If one postulates that the HD/HD+ would be (after a more conventional Android upgrade) as attractive sales-wise as the respective Samsung 7/10" (a big, BIG assumption), then if you do the math (eg, assign variables to the cost and prices of each device), to maximize net profit, you price the respective pairs (HD/Samsung 7" or HD+/Samsung 10") at the same price.  It doesn't matter what the cost of each device is.  Note I'm ignoring ongoing inventory and support costs for the HD/+ series (above that for the Samsung series);  that obviously has some effect.

                       

                      So, back to our assumption.  B&N might have decided that the Samsung devices would sell better than the HD/+ devices at the same price.  And/or, there may have accounting/tax write-off or other benefits to their decision.  We don't know all the factors (real or imagined).

                       

                      I'm just surprised at the pricing.  I'm also surprised at the sales price (but in a different direction) of some Nooks on eBay:  eg (in competitive bidding), New SEALED Barnes Noble Nook HD 32GB Wi Fi 9" Tablet Slate BNTV600 Android 9781400699162 | eBay

                      • 23. Re: Black Friday Week-CyberMonday shopping season: Are you willing to share your input?
                        bobstro

                        Dean Gibson wrote:

                        But B&N sold the HD/+ series near the end, for less than they are selling the Samsungs.

                        Yes, but that was at a loss. At that point, I think B&N primarily wanted to clear the inventory and be rid of the problem. And even at those prices, they had HD/+ units around for a very long time. To make any profit, they'd have to be selling at closer to the original prices, something what was going to be a tough sell as time went on.

                         

                        With he Samsungs, B&N is getting the economies of scale that Samsung brings to the table with an established, debugged and well-known platform. Had B&N not selected the Samsung, they'd be viewing Samsung as competition. Given Samsung's current stable, it would be hard for B&N to win even the screen argument.

                        [...] So, back to our assumption.  B&N might have decided that the Samsung devices would sell better than the HD/+ devices at the same price.  And/or, there may have accounting/tax write-off or other benefits to their decision.  We don't know all the factors (real or imagined).

                        Honestly, I think you're giving B&N too much credit. B&N had visions of grandeur and anticipated further capturing customers in their walled garden, thereby forcing them to feed exclusively from the B&N trough. That fell apart as the HD/+ series was released. The app store was an obvious turd at that point. The devices weren't overly compelling, other than the screens, and were not cheap at first.

                         

                        Everything after that was desperation. The only thought I suspect went into selecting Samsung was that they had to do something. Personally, I think that something should've been an app that made any Android device into a NOOK reader, but hey.

                        I'm just surprised at the pricing.  I'm also surprised at the sales price (but in a different direction) of some Nooks on eBay:  eg (in competitive bidding), New SEALED Barnes Noble Nook HD 32GB Wi Fi 9" Tablet Slate BNTV600 Android 9781400699162 | eBay

                         

                        Well, eBay is it's own form of madness.

                        • 24. Re: Black Friday Week-CyberMonday shopping season: Are you willing to share your input?
                          DeanGibson

                          Bob George wrote:

                           

                          Dean Gibson wrote:

                          But B&N sold the HD/+ series near the end, for less than they are selling the Samsungs.

                          Yes, but that was at a loss. At that point, I think B&N primarily wanted to clear the inventory and be rid of the problem. And even at those prices, they had HD/+ units around for a very long time. To make any profit, they'd have to be selling at closer to the original prices, something what was going to be a tough sell as time went on.

                           

                           

                          This is the only part that I disagree with, and that is the idea of making a profit.  This is like the guy at the garage sale who has priced his item too high, and when you offer a reasonable price, his response is, "but I have more than that in it".

                           

                          So what?  Once you have already incurred the cost, pricing it to make a "profit" is irrelevant (that decision process should have been made before incurring the cost).  You price it to sell it, factoring in continuing ownership (eg, inventory) costs.

                           

                          I do agree with you on B&N's decision processes, however.

                           

                          What will be interesting to see, is how long active software development at Barnes & Noble Nook HD, HD+ - XDA Forums continues, in comparison to other devices as they age.  That will be a good indication of their enduring competitive value.  Note that CM-11 is still getting nightly builds for the Nook Color and Nook Tablet, but reports are that "it's a bit slow" on the Nook Color.

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