55 Replies Latest reply on Jan 19, 2015 1:20 PM by bobstro

    Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4

    RHWright

      I am not in the market now, but if I were, the SGT4N would be a contender.

       

      It seems to have some advantages over just getting a SGT4 from any old retailer.

       

      Not sure about the $200 in content. Few details. Is it actually a good value?

       

      What about the things B&N adds in? Helpful? Nuisance?

       

      I primarily use my current tablet for reading (books and Comixology), plus a little Facebook, web browsing, and video thrown in. Haven't gotten much into movies, but just got Fellowship of the Ring from Google Play for free, so we'll see.

       

      For a reading-centric user, already with a substantial B&N library, is the SGT4N the way to go or are there more advantages to the regular edition?

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          MacMcK1957

          I'm not aware of anything that the regular edition would have that the Nook version lacks.  As far as I know they're exactly the same model except for the enhanced Nook app, which is IMO a significant improvement over the garden variety Nook app I have on other devices.  (Shelving even works decently.)  The only disadvantage to it that I can see is the fact that you can't download your Nook content to the SD card, but that limitation pretty much applies across all devices.

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              RHWright

              MacMcK1957 - Good to know that about the enhanced app.

               

              Other than the shelving, does the enhanced app have any other pluses over the regular Android app?

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                  MacMcK1957

                  There's a nice widget that displays on your homescreen with the last half-dozen items you've read.  So if you're like me, and I know I am, you might have today's paper, a couple new magazine issues, and a couple open books in process.  From the widget, you can tap on any of them to open that particular publication.

                   

                  I also find the ease of navigating back and forth between page view and article view on enhanced magazines and newspapers much smoother than on the standard Android app.

                   

                  If the price is the same with or without the Nook branding, I don't see any downside of getting the Nook version.

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                      Froide

                      Not to be Debbie Downer here, but I can think of downside:

                      • On the NOOK Sammie, the NOOK ereader app and its associated content cannot be moved to the microSD card
                      • The opposite may be true on the non-NOOK Sammie (which I reckon because that's true on my Samsung Galaxy smartphone)

                      Can anyone confirm or refute my assumption?

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                          MacMcK1957

                          When I first got the NGTS, it automatically installed all the apps I already had on my Android phone (along with my wallpaper, bookmarks, and other configuration).  Once of the things that got installed was the standard Nook Android app.  I played around with it and discovered it uses separate file structures, so I ended up with all my books downloaded twice, once to each app.  Because I liked the new app so much better I deleted the old one.  If someone wants to use it to redirect to the SD card (an option I never knew existed) I suppose you could still install the old standard app.  I'll play around with it and see if I can get it to work.

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                              MacMcK1957

                              Interesting.  It seems they've disabled install of the old Nook for Android app on the NGTS.

                               

                              But... I was able to download the standard Android Nook app from a third party site and install it.  Now why do they let that one use the SD card but the built-in app won't?

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                                  bobstro

                                  MacMcK1957 wrote:

                                   

                                  Interesting.  It seems they've disabled install of the old Nook for Android app on the NGTS.

                                   

                                  But... I was able to download the standard Android Nook app from a third party site and install it.  Now why do they let that one use the SD card but the built-in app won't?

                                  Erm... wait. Are you seeing an option to store ebook & magazine content on the SD card with the Android NOOK app? I have it on my Samsung tablet, and don't see an option for that. I know you can sideload ebooks (but not magazines, IIRC) to SD manually, but they'll appear without covers, but is there an official means to set the card as the default download destination for ebook & magazine content sourced from B&N?

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                                  Froide

                                  RE: "Because I liked the new app so much better I deleted the old one.  If someone wants to use it to redirect to the SD card (an option I never knew existed) I suppose you could still install the old standard app.  I'll play around with it and see if I can get it to work."

                                   

                                  Many apps can be used to relocate other apps and/or content, as well as to "uninstall" bloatware apps. For example, I use:

                                   

                                  1.Link2SD* or Lucky AppManager to identify and move moveable apps.

                                   

                                  2.Either of the above apps or ES File Explorer* to "uninstall" bloatware apps. (Some bloatware apps cannot be uninstalled, and many such apps foisted on my unrooted Nook HD appear to uninstall temporarily, only to reappear, like bad pennies. Fortunately, though, some of those which reappear will remain in the cloud (where they don't hog storage space or processing resources) unless called to action.

                                   

                                  *Link2SD and ES  File Explorer / ES Task Manager perform many additional device/file management and maintenance tasks necessary to keep one's device in top form.

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                                      Froide

                                      I forgot to add:

                                       

                                      I use ES File Explorer for an additional purpose, as well: to find, move, copy, rename, delete, and otherwise manage files.

                                       

                                      However, I leave the moving of apps between the device and microSD card to apps made primarily for that purpose. As noted above, I happen to use Link2SD and Lucky AppManager. If forced to choose between them, I'd select Link2SD, because it performs more functions.

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                                      • Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                                        bobstro

                                        Froide wrote:

                                         

                                        [...] 1.Link2SD* or Lucky AppManager to identify and move moveable apps.

                                        FWIW: You can do this on most new Samsung devices by selecting individual apps in the System Settings. Which is ironic, considering that Samsung provided a feature that many manufacturers' Android 4.4 devices do not, only to have B&N cripple their own apps with arbitrary storage limitations.

                                         

                                        This requires you do go in an move each app individually, but doesn't require the installation of any new apps.

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                                            Froide

                                            Froide wrote:

                                            [...] 1.Link2SD* or Lucky AppManager to identify and move moveable apps.

                                            FWIW: You can do this on most new Samsung devices by selecting individual apps in the System Settings. Which is ironic, considering that Samsung provided a feature that many manufacturers' Android 4.4 devices do not, only to have B&N cripple their own apps with arbitrary storage limitations.

                                             

                                            This requires you do go in an move each app individually, but doesn't require the installation of any new apps.

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                                            It's true the Samsung device's native app manager allows one to see which apps are already installed on the SDcard and to move individual apps to the SDcard - or back to the device, but determining which apps have not been moved to the SDcard and which of them can be moved is a tedious task if one has numerous apps.  However, using the native app manager may be one's only recourse initially, if s/he has too little room on  his/her device to install another app.

                                             

                                            Ultimately, though, the apps I mentioned and apps like them are superior and well worth the real estate they occupy, IMO, because one can view at a glance: which apps are installed on the SDcard and, of those those which are not, which can be moved to the SDcard and which cannot. Moreover, the apps I mentioned and many alternatives to them perform additional useful functions, as well.

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                                                keriflur

                                                Froide wrote:

                                                 

                                                It's true the Samsung device's native app manager allows one to see which apps are already installed on the SDcard and to move individual apps to the SDcard - or back to the device, but determining which apps have not been moved to the SDcard and which of them can be moved is a tedious task if one has numerous apps.  However, using the native app manager may be one's only recourse initially, if s/he has too little room on  his/her device to install another app.

                                                 

                                                Ultimately, though, the apps I mentioned and apps like them are superior and well worth the real estate they occupy, IMO, because one can view at a glance: which apps are installed on the SDcard and, of those those which are not, which can be moved to the SDcard and which cannot. Moreover, the apps I mentioned and many alternatives to them perform additional useful functions, as well.

                                                It seems like this whole issue could be avoided if Samsung (and B&N) would offer devices with an appropriate amount of internal storage. 8gb hasn't been a reasonable amount in some time. I'd argue that 16gb is the bare minimum, and even that's pushing it, given both how few apps can move content to SD currently, and the fact that there's very little push to change this (there's push from customers, but not from google, device makers, app makers, etc.)

                                                 

                                                IMO either google or the device makers need to admit that "it has an SD card slot" is a crappy marketing bait-and-switch pitch, or they need to make the slot useful for more than loading your own music and movies.

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                                                    bobstro

                                                    keriflur wrote:

                                                     

                                                    IMO either google or the device makers need to admit that "it has an SD card slot" is a crappy marketing bait-and-switch pitch, or they need to make the slot useful for more than loading your own music and movies.

                                                    Unfortunately, Samsung seems to be the only manufacturer that's trying to keep the idea of secondary storage on uSD alive. I'm sure there are others, but most have abandoned it. Apple showed that consumers would pay $100 or more for additional storage that was worth $10, and that's set the trend ever since.

                                                     

                                                    Although the value of uSD has gone down since Google changed the permissions in Android 4.x, I still find it very useful. I've read that Android 5.x changes access so that user apps can again fully utilize secondary storage, but I haven't had an opportunity to try it for myself.

                                                     

                                                    I've been using an 8 GB tablet that doesn't even have Samsung's limited Move-to-SD feature and it's certainly useable. I could see keeping 8 GB as the budget entry-level if either there were other options available (there aren't for the NGTS/SGT4) or uSD storage were fully usable -- shades of the old B&N versus Kobo storage schemes.

                                                     

                                                    Sadly, this may all be a moot point if Samsung finally abandons uSD as a feature. You may get what you wish for!

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                                                        Sandikal

                                                        In most cases, 8GB of memory is okay, not great, but okay if you don't want a lot of audio or video files.  However, with the Galaxy Tab Nook, the Nook app uses so much of the memory that there isn't much room left for anything else.

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                                                            keriflur

                                                            Sandikal wrote:

                                                             

                                                            In most cases, 8GB of memory is okay, not great, but okay if you don't want a lot of audio or video files.  However, with the Galaxy Tab Nook, the Nook app uses so much of the memory that there isn't much room left for anything else.

                                                            That situation, where you get 8gb of memory but then the stuff you can't delete (OS, apps, etc) takes up most of it, is pretty much the norm now. That's why I say it's an unacceptable amount. Because you don't get 8gb, you get 5gb, or in some cases 3gb, and what's that good for? Not a heck of a lot.

                                                             

                                                            ETA:

                                                            When you buy a phone or tablet with a low internal storage amount, NO ONE is on your side - not Google, not the device maker, not the app makers. No one is trying to make small software, no one is trying to block bloat, and no one is pushing for the ability to move content or apps to SD. They may say that they are, but if you look at the actions, with apps getting bigger and so few offering any serious offload of storage to the SD, their actions are not in your favor. Just food for thought when device shopping.

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                                                            keriflur

                                                            Bob George wrote:

                                                             

                                                            Unfortunately, Samsung seems to be the only manufacturer that's trying to keep the idea of secondary storage on uSD alive. I'm sure there are others, but most have abandoned it. Apple showed that consumers would pay $100 or more for additional storage that was worth $10, and that's set the trend ever since.

                                                            Well in all honesty, while I think the upcharge on storage is ridiculous, I'm a lot happier without the slot than I was with it. I didn't expect that to be true, and at first I was pretty upset about not being able to pop in my SD and have all my music, that I had to rebuild my "phone mix" (since I don't just load a bunch of albums but rather select the songs I like). But once I got the music on my phone, that was it.

                                                             

                                                            I don't have to worry about not having space for apps.

                                                            I don't have to worry about app updates crashing.

                                                            I don't have to worry about in-app downloads crashing.

                                                             

                                                            Seriously, I can't think of the last time I even *thought* about storage space (until this thread, of course).

                                                             

                                                            AND, I'm keeping my devices for longer periods of time, because I'm not running out of room on them. So even with the ridiculous storage upcharge, I'm spending less money. Seriously. I went through three android phones in two years because of space issues and, to a much lesser extent, OS issues (because in Android, having device makers and carriers tweaking the OS brakes things, and if you're not on the flagship phone, those things never get fixed). I've had my 64gb 5S since it came out over a year ago, have no desire to upgrade, and full expect to keep it for 2016 also.

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                                                                bobstro

                                                                keriflur wrote:

                                                                [...]

                                                                I don't have to worry about not having space for apps.

                                                                I don't have to worry about app updates crashing.

                                                                I don't have to worry about in-app downloads crashing.

                                                                 

                                                                Seriously, I can't think of the last time I even *thought* about storage space (until this thread, of course).

                                                                Well, yeah. Same reason buying a BMW makes sense to a lot of people. Higher quality. Higher performance. Routine maintenance included. The only problem is you have to buy a BMW to get it.

                                                                AND, I'm keeping my devices for longer periods of time, because I'm not running out of room on them. So even with the ridiculous storage upcharge, I'm spending less money. Seriously. I went through three android phones in two years because of space issues and, to a much lesser extent, OS issues (because in Android, having device makers and carriers tweaking the OS brakes things, and if you're not on the flagship phone, those things never get fixed). I've had my 64gb 5S since it came out over a year ago, have no desire to upgrade, and full expect to keep it for 2016 also.

                                                                Hardly an entry level device remotely akin to the NGTS, though, is it? Yes, I'd always recommend buying the best device you can. If someone has the cash, I'd recommend the SGT S 8.4 over the NGTS every time. But for someone on a budget, an 8 GB device could be a reasonable alternative.  For some reason, B&N won't allow ebook and magazine storage on secondary storage. So while Samsung has made customizations to alleviate the cramped space of 8 GB, B&N ignores them. 8 GB *could* be tolerable for an entry-level device meant for reading, but B&N isn't making the effort. (I do fault Samsung for charging exorbitant amounts for internal storage as well. Apple certainly set the precedent that others have followed.)

                                                                 

                                                                I am really interested in testing Android 5.0 Lolipop on a Samsung device to see if it truly alleviates the secondary storage issues. I'm always going to prefer an expandable device, regardless of what storage I have internally. My Samsung S5 has 32 GB of storage which I haven't come near filling, but that's mostly because I just popped my 64 GB card out of my previous Motorola. I would dread the day I have to copy 64 GB over a network just to upgrade to a new device!

                                                                 

                                                                IIRC, the NGTS has approx. 5 GB of available internal storage as unpacked out of the box.

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                                                                    MacMcK1957

                                                                    I can live with the limitations on the NGTS primarily because (a) it lets me dump my big space hog, my music, onto the SD card, and (b) my basic e-books don't take up that much room.  When I want to read enhanced magazines, I'll only load one at a time, read them, remove from the device and grab the next.  A bit of a pain, but I can live with it.

                                                                     

                                                                    That's the primary issue with "extra" storage.  Too often it's configured in some way that you're limited in what goes where.  Even the NST partitions the download and sideload space so you could have plenty of empty space, but can't use it because it's in the wrong partition.

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                                                                        keriflur

                                                                        MacMcK1957 wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        That's the primary issue with "extra" storage.  Too often it's configured in some way that you're limited in what goes where.  Even the NST partitions the download and sideload space so you could have plenty of empty space, but can't use it because it's in the wrong partition.

                                                                        That's because B&N has issues understanding basic device usage. Not all makers have that problem. Heck, in the e-ink realm (where NONE of the makers are big tech companies), B&N is the only one with the partition issue. Apple does not have this issue. The Nexus line does not have this issue. I can't comment on the rest of the field, but I don't remember my last HTC phone having partition issues either.

                                                                         

                                                                        Back in the day, yeah, everyone liked to partition everything. Not so much anymore.

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                                                                            MacMcK1957

                                                                            It isn't just B&N. I tried a couple different music apps that wouldn't let me store my music onto the SD card. Even the Google Play music had the annoying quirk that I couldn't sideload it. I had to upload everything from my PC to the ♪♫cloud♪♫ and re-download to the tablet.  Because after all, if you want to move some files ten feet it makes so much more sense to send 10 GB each way.

                                                                             

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                                                                                keriflur

                                                                                MacMcK1957 wrote:

                                                                                 

                                                                                It isn't just B&N. I tried a couple different music apps that wouldn't let me store my music onto the SD card. Even the Google Play music had the annoying quirk that I couldn't sideload it. I had to upload everything from my PC to the ♪♫cloud♪♫ and re-download to the tablet.  Because after all, if you want to move some files ten feet it makes so much more sense to send 10 GB each way.

                                                                                 

                                                                                For device makers who partition, I'm pretty sure it IS just B&N.

                                                                                 

                                                                                For app makers, that's not partitioning, that's them simply not caring that you have an SD card. Which has been my point here.

                                                                                 

                                                                                FWIW, I buy all my music from Amazon (and yes, I'm old and out of touch, I still BUY all my music). Yeah, Amazon is the devil when it comes to books, and I don't buy ebooks from them unless they are exclusives, but for music, iTunes is the devil and Amazon is just another vendor. However, they are a vendor that sells music with no controls and no DRM. Want to download via the cloud? check. Want to download to a computer and sideload? check. Want to put your music on any player out there? check. Heck, they even let you automatically add songs to your iTunes library (if you're a poor sucker stuck with using iTunes, like all of us iphone owners). They try to limit and control things in the ebook realm, but they are fully open door when it comes to music.

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                                                                                  bobstro

                                                                                  MacMcK1957 wrote:

                                                                                   

                                                                                  It isn't just B&N. I tried a couple different music apps that wouldn't let me store my music onto the SD card. Even the Google Play music had the annoying quirk that I couldn't sideload it. I had to upload everything from my PC to the ♪♫cloud♪♫ and re-download to the tablet.  Because after all, if you want to move some files ten feet it makes so much more sense to send 10 GB each way.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  There are certainly several music apps that work just fine with sideloaded content on a card. I personally like PowerAmp.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Recent versions of Google Music (GM) have allowed selection of the storage location. On v5.7.1788Q, I can select Menu->Settings->Storage Location. That, at least, selects where downloaded music will be stored. One change I hadn't noticed is that Google Music now stores your files in an accessible location. I found my relocated music under card:/data/com.google.android.music/files/music. They are now stored as MP3s that I can open in another player. In the original GM app, I couldn't locate where music was being stored and I recall a lot of griping about the format. (This explains why I have duplicates showing up in other apps!)

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I don't recall how or if it recognized sideloaded music, and can't test today. I think you still have to upload music via Google's cloud on your PC. Once it's there, you do have some control over where it get stored on your Android device, so it's a mixed bag. There's room for a bit of chicken and egg debate, since your sideloaded music didn't just appear on your device either. If you purchased it online, you downloaded it from somebody's cloud. If you ripped your own CDs, you copied them over. GM is a pretty limited app in a number of ways, so I prefer to download everything on a PC and sideload, then use PowerAmp or similar on my devices.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Google's Books and Newsstand apps do not allow selection of storage location, so they are like B&N's app in some ways. At least in Google's case, it makes sense. They don't sell an 8 GB device, and they're deliberately trying to market their cloud services to you. B&N is the one selling a device with minimal internal storage, and refusing to let you store more purchased ebooks and magazines on the card. B&N's ol "But Apple/Google do it too!" makes no sense for the NGTS and Android app limitations.

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                                                                                      MacMcK1957

                                                                                      Actually, I misspoke.  I could sideload music to the Google Play Music app.  The only problem was when I wanted to play it on my TV using my Chromecast it told me I can only do that with downloaded music.  So I could sideload it but with a major loss of functionality.  So I had to take all my music (most of it ripped from CD's) and upload to Google Play's cloud and re-download.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Why could I play sideloaded music on my tablet but not project it to my TV speakers?  Anyone think of any logical reasons other than to force me to use Google's cloud?

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                                                                                          keriflur

                                                                                          MacMcK1957 wrote:

                                                                                           

                                                                                          Anyone think of any logical reasons other than to force me to use Google's cloud?

                                                                                          Chromecast is poorly designed?

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                                                                                              MacMcK1957

                                                                                              keriflur wrote:

                                                                                               

                                                                                              MacMcK1957 wrote:

                                                                                               

                                                                                              Anyone think of any logical reasons other than to force me to use Google's cloud?

                                                                                              Chromecast is poorly designed?

                                                                                              If a Google product forces me to use Google's cloud, I'm not inclined to think it's poor design.  In this case I doubt Hanlon's razor applies.

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                                                                                                  keriflur

                                                                                                  MacMcK1957 wrote:

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  keriflur wrote:

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  MacMcK1957 wrote:

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  Anyone think of any logical reasons other than to force me to use Google's cloud?

                                                                                                  Chromecast is poorly designed?

                                                                                                  If a Google product forces me to use Google's cloud, I'm not inclined to think it's poor design.  In this case I doubt Hanlon's razor applies.

                                                                                                  I disagree. There's a mentality that happens in companies like Google (you can see it at Amazon and MS also, and I'm sure there are others) where the people who work there spend so much time at work, socializing with co-workers, living with co-workers, etc., that they become out of touch with the rest of the world. They're so used to their social circle that they can't conceptualize the idea that there are people out there who would want to use Chromecast but would not want to use the cloud. And if those people did exist (unicorns!), there probably aren't very many of them. Heck, they've never even met one. So they design for what they want, and what their friends want, and what they believe the rest of the world wants (with no real idea that the real world is not their world), and don't bother to code for any solutions outside of the cloud. So, yeah, poor design.

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                                                                                                      bobstro

                                                                                                      keriflur wrote:

                                                                                                      [...] I disagree. There's a mentality that happens in companies like Google (you can see it at Amazon and MS also, and I'm sure there are others) where the people who work there spend so much time at work, socializing with co-workers, living with co-workers, etc., that they become out of touch with the rest of the world. They're so used to their social circle that they can't conceptualize the idea that there are people out there who would want to use Chromecast but would not want to use the cloud. And if those people did exist (unicorns!), there probably aren't very many of them. Heck, they've never even met one. So they design for what they want, and what their friends want, and what they believe the rest of the world wants (with no real idea that the real world is not their world), and don't bother to code for any solutions outside of the cloud. So, yeah, poor design.

                                                                                                      Agreed. I'm finding this a lot with my new Apple computers. Most of the rest of the world supports MTP devices, for example, but not Apple. Apple has their own competing technology, so we're all supposed to use only their products.

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                                                                                                      bobstro

                                                                                                      MacMcK1957 wrote:

                                                                                                      If a Google product forces me to use Google's cloud, I'm not inclined to think it's poor design.  In this case I doubt Hanlon's razor applies.

                                                                                                      Google's music app will only stream music from their cloud, but that doesn't mean you can't stream sideloaded music from other apps to your Chromecast. I use Avia and it works just fine. I wouldn't call it a shortcoming in Chromecast.

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                                                                                                          MacMcK1957

                                                                                                          Bob George wrote:

                                                                                                           

                                                                                                          MacMcK1957 wrote:

                                                                                                          If a Google product forces me to use Google's cloud, I'm not inclined to think it's poor design.  In this case I doubt Hanlon's razor applies.

                                                                                                          Google's music app will only stream music from their cloud, but that doesn't mean you can't stream sideloaded music from other apps to your Chromecast. I use Avia and it works just fine. I wouldn't call it a shortcoming in Chromecast.

                                                                                                          Google device and google app.  Which, again, reinforces my conclusion that it is a deliberate decision on Google's part to force me to their cloud.

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                                                                                                              bobstro

                                                                                                              MacMcK1957 wrote:

                                                                                                              [...] Which, again, reinforces my conclusion that it is a deliberate decision on Google's part.

                                                                                                              I agree, although Google's history with the Play Music app is a puzzling one. They seem to be slowly and quietly adding functionality. When I first used early versions, I was pleased that they allowed uploading personal music to their cloud, but the app was otherwise quite limited. It didn't recognize sideloaded content on the device at all, and stored music in a hidden and, from what I've read, DRM'ed format on internal storage.

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                              Until you mentioned it, I wasn't aware they'd added the ability to play sideloaded music at all, as well as change the default storage location to secondary storage. Now downloaded files seem to be DRM-free mp3s, although annoyingly named and with non metadata, stored in <storage location>/Android/data/com.google.android.music/files/music. And, of course, Chromecast support was added somewhere along the way. I don't know if it's a case of Google not allowing streaming of sideloaded content to Chromecast so much as not having added the feature yet. I've been using 3rd party players, so never noticed.

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                              I'm personally delighted with Chromecast. The Chromecast packs easily in my bag for travel*, and they're cheap enough** that I can stick one on every TV in the house. I already have my tablet and/or phone with me, so there's no need for a full-function, more expensive and bulkier Google TV, Apple TV or Roku box. They're particularly nice when my sons return home as they can use their devices and accounts without having to worry about sharing mine when they visit. It's perfect for a Guest Bedroom setup. Adding a Chromecast to a TV adds a lot of value to a budget tablet like the NGTS at minimal cost.

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                              *   I do use a wifi nano-router set up as a wifi repeater while in hotels to deal with captive portal setups.

                                                                                                              ** Especially during the holidays with the $25 Google Play credit. The effective price was < $10.

                                                                                            • Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                                                                                              keriflur

                                                                                              Bob George wrote:

                                                                                               

                                                                                              I would dread the day I have to copy 64 GB over a network just to upgrade to a new device!

                                                                                              Well, I haven't looked closely at Android since I got my 5S, but last I checked, you never HAVE to copy anything over a network, you can use a cable, and it will be just as fast as putting things on your card.

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                                                                                                  bobstro

                                                                                                  keriflur wrote:

                                                                                                  Well, I haven't looked closely at Android since I got my 5S, but last I checked, you never HAVE to copy anything over a network, you can use a cable, and it will be just as fast as putting things on your card.

                                                                                                  Twice. Unless, I suppose, you had some sort of USB3 phone-to-phone cable, but I've not seen such a thing. At USB 3 speeds, that might be quicker, assuming you've got the appropriate ports at each end. At USB 2, not so much. I don't know what speeds lightning offers. Lots of variables for either cable or network solution. Definitely quicker to pop my card out and stick it in my new phone in any case, which was my point. My last phone swap took a few minutes (aside from all the compulsive tinkering afterwards).

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  Massive amounts of internal storage is a good thing, and I'd generally recommend buying as much as you can afford, but I'd still like to have removable storage on any device for the same reason. Moar is good. I've yet to find myself in a situation where I was glad I didn't have more storage options.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  Taking advantage of whatever storage is available on the device should've been B&N's priority, especially trying to kick off a new series of device. Sadly, today, it doesn't matter whether you buy a NGTS or SGT4, your best bet for reading might be to use somebody else's reader software. If only B&N would issue an update!

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  Speaking of the NGTS value equation: The SGT4 7.0 8 GB is now available for about $260 new and a SGT Pro 8.4 16 GB for $220 refurbished. The Google Nexus 7 16 GB, a bit long in the tooth but still a great little tablet, is available for under $200. There's a lot of competition if you've got roughly $200 to spend.

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                                                                          Sandikal

                                                                          My only complaint is that they turned the menu key into a "recently opened" key.  It makes it impossible to read look threads in my GoodReads app because the app uses the menu key to order threads from newest to oldest.  I'm sure that other apps will be affected by this change.

                                                                           

                                                                          I have a Galaxy S4 smartphone.  On the phone, a long hold of the home key opens a list of recently opened apps.  I don't know why the Galaxy Tab Nook couldn't have done the same.

                                                                           

                                                                          The $200 worth of content isn't worth $200.  It's mostly back issues of magazines.

                                                                           

                                                                          I would have gotten the basic Galaxy Tab 4, but I got the Nook one for free.  I like it as a tablet,  Even though the resolution supposedly isn't as fine as the HD, I find that images seem crisper.  I don't like reading on it though.  It's a bit too bright and really hard on my eyes.  Even with the illumination turned all the way down, it's to bright with the lights out.  The HD was better for reading.  Of course, reading is much better on an e-ink reader than a tablet.

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                                                                              Froide

                                                                              RE: "I have a Galaxy S4 smartphone.  On the phone, a long hold of the home key opens a list of recently opened apps.  I don't know why the Galaxy Tab Nook couldn't have done the same."

                                                                               

                                                                              Indeed. I also appreciate the carousel on the Nook HD/HD+, which shows recently opened apps and content.

                                                                               

                                                                              ...

                                                                              RE: "The $200 worth of content isn't worth $200.  It's mostly back issues of magazines."

                                                                               

                                                                              One's view of the value of the included books is also in the eye of the beholder.

                                                                              ...

                                                                               

                                                                              RE: "I don't like reading on it though.  It's a bit too bright and really hard on my eyes.  Even with the illumination turned all the way down, it's to bright with the lights out.  The HD was better for reading.  Of course, reading is much better on an e-ink reader than a tablet."

                                                                               

                                                                              You might consider installing an app such as Twilight.

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                                                                                AnitaInTN

                                                                                I, on the other hand, like the "reading this book now" button that is specific to "native Nooks".  And I much prefer the 7" footprint to larger tablets.  Color is a must for me (I love book cover art and photo-heavy magazines).  To each their own....

                                                                                 

                                                                                One thing I've recently discovered (read about it in one of those "blue light from readers is bad threads) - the new Nooks have some convenient "other" color schemes already set up that dim the light (and eliminate the bright, white glare when reading in the dark, falling asleep....).  It's the same place where you can change text size if you want - in a book, tap somewhere in the middle of the screen.  Up at the top, there's the "A" for text changes.  When it comes up, in addition to text size options, there are six "text and background color" options.  Default is bright white background with black text, but there are shades of brown/tan with white lettering, gray, etc.  These are great to dim it down for night reading.  Play with them and see if one of these helps.  These are extremely easy to toggle back & forth for different reading situations.  This is likely on the regular Samsungs, too.

                                                                                 

                                                                                The $200 content consisted of 3 books (only one is a "series leader").  A contemporary "romancy" type (haven't read it yet to see exactly - it's not the perjorative-words-best-not-repeated type).  A non-fiction (Freakanomics), and a teen sci-fi (the series leader).  List of magazines, the one I wanted (Nat Geo), I'm already getting.  Ho-Hum.  Also - beware, at least for the current BN software, the BN-content magazines stay on the internal memory, and this can take up a lot of space.  Video was two series pilots and a movie, as I recall.  (There are also Free Friday videos each week.)  There is a convenient box to check to send BN-video content straight to an SD card; this is strongly recommended.  (They advertise 32G card size, but my 64G card works fine.)   It would be very nice if they gave us that same box for magazines, considering the SGT4N-7's memory storage limitations (ok for just books - but lots of Apps and/or photo-heavy magazines will fill it up).  See these posts: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 7.0 Nook vs. Nook Color and Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 7.0 Nook - Memory Meanderings

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                                                                                • Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                                                                                  bobstro

                                                                                  Sandikal wrote:

                                                                                   

                                                                                  My only complaint is that they turned the menu key into a "recently opened" key.  It makes it impossible to read look threads in my GoodReads app because the app uses the menu key to order threads from newest to oldest.  I'm sure that other apps will be affected by this change.

                                                                                  This is an Android 4 thing, if I'm recalling correctly, or perhaps 4.4 KitKat. Try long-pressing the recent button to get the old menu function. This is not unique to the NGTS or SGT4.

                                                                                  I have a Galaxy S4 smartphone.  On the phone, a long hold of the home key opens a list of recently opened apps.  I don't know why the Galaxy Tab Nook couldn't have done the same.

                                                                                  If it makes you feel any better, the Samsung Galaxy S5, NGTS and SGT4 all have the same button layout. This is pretty much the new standard, except other devices may have the position of the Back and Recent buttons reversed.

                                                                                  The $200 worth of content isn't worth $200.  It's mostly back issues of magazines.

                                                                                  I pretty much agree. Perhaps phrase it as "unless you have very specific tastes and don't mind old magazine content, the $200 content may not be worth $200."

                                                                                   

                                                                                  One difference between the NGTS and the SGT4 is eligibility for the Samsung Perks package. For the Tab 4 series, it's pretty sparse, consisting of (at present) 3 free audiobooks on Audible for new subscribers, 1 year of 50 GB on Dropbox (works for existing subscribers), 3 months of Sirius XM for new subscribers, Samsung WatchOn TV guide and remote (though this may be available for the NGTS from Samsung directly), and 6 months of Stitcher comedy. This bundle, while not outstanding, might be worth more than the "$200" bundle B&N provides.

                                                                                  I would have gotten the basic Galaxy Tab 4, but I got the Nook one for free. 

                                                                                  Free is good. For the rest of us, the pricing is identical at B&N for the NGTS and Best Buy for the SGT4 7.0, so unless you're a B&N member, price isn't much of a consideration.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  In the brief period I owned a NGTS, I quite liked it. Inability to readily store B&N ebook and magazine content on secondary card memory is what caused me to return it. I don't like reading on active screens in total darkness, so the brightness issue didn't affect me, though as others mentioned, there are apps that will further mute the screen if you really want to do this.

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                                                                                    • Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                                                                                      Sandikal

                                                                                      My original plan was to get the standard Galaxy Tab 4, preferably the 16GB version.  8GB really isn't enough storage.  I did add a 32GB SD card, but only Nook Video and content from certain apps go there. 

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                                                                                          MacMcK1957

                                                                                          The 8 GB limitation is definitely the primary drawback.  Especially since the base OS takes up 3.5.  I find my standard book collection takes well under 1 GB, but enhanced magazines, comics, graphic novels, newspapers tend to often run over 100 MB apiece, and that can start filling space quickly.  Just glad that Google Play Music easily dumps everything to the SD card, because I've got about 10 GB of music.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          Be nice if the Nook app would even allow just the magazines and newspapers to go to the card.  That stuff tends to be un-DRMed and ephemeral anyway, so it's not as if there would be problems with people excessively file-sharing the material.

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                                                                                        Omnigeek

                                                                                        Sandikal wrote:

                                                                                         

                                                                                        My only complaint is that they turned the menu key into a "recently opened" key.  It makes it impossible to read look threads in my GoodReads app because the app uses the menu key to order threads from newest to oldest.  I'm sure that other apps will be affected by this change.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        I have a Galaxy S4 smartphone.  On the phone, a long hold of the home key opens a list of recently opened apps.  I don't know why the Galaxy Tab Nook couldn't have done the same.

                                                                                         

                                                                                        Samsung did this with the Galaxy S5 as well.  If you hold down the "Recent" button, it will function like the old "Menu" button -- similar to what you're used to with the GS4, just with the functions moved around a little.