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    Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4

      I am not in the market now, but if I were, the SGT4N would be a contender.

       

      It seems to have some advantages over just getting a SGT4 from any old retailer.

       

      Not sure about the $200 in content. Few details. Is it actually a good value?

       

      What about the things B&N adds in? Helpful? Nuisance?

       

      I primarily use my current tablet for reading (books and Comixology), plus a little Facebook, web browsing, and video thrown in. Haven't gotten much into movies, but just got Fellowship of the Ring from Google Play for free, so we'll see.

       

      For a reading-centric user, already with a substantial B&N library, is the SGT4N the way to go or are there more advantages to the regular edition?

        • 1. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
          MacMcK1957

          I'm not aware of anything that the regular edition would have that the Nook version lacks.  As far as I know they're exactly the same model except for the enhanced Nook app, which is IMO a significant improvement over the garden variety Nook app I have on other devices.  (Shelving even works decently.)  The only disadvantage to it that I can see is the fact that you can't download your Nook content to the SD card, but that limitation pretty much applies across all devices.

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          • 2. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4

            MacMcK1957 - Good to know that about the enhanced app.

             

            Other than the shelving, does the enhanced app have any other pluses over the regular Android app?

            • 3. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
              MacMcK1957

              There's a nice widget that displays on your homescreen with the last half-dozen items you've read.  So if you're like me, and I know I am, you might have today's paper, a couple new magazine issues, and a couple open books in process.  From the widget, you can tap on any of them to open that particular publication.

               

              I also find the ease of navigating back and forth between page view and article view on enhanced magazines and newspapers much smoother than on the standard Android app.

               

              If the price is the same with or without the Nook branding, I don't see any downside of getting the Nook version.

              • 4. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                Froide

                Not to be Debbie Downer here, but I can think of downside:

                • On the NOOK Sammie, the NOOK ereader app and its associated content cannot be moved to the microSD card
                • The opposite may be true on the non-NOOK Sammie (which I reckon because that's true on my Samsung Galaxy smartphone)

                Can anyone confirm or refute my assumption?

                • 5. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                  MacMcK1957

                  When I first got the NGTS, it automatically installed all the apps I already had on my Android phone (along with my wallpaper, bookmarks, and other configuration).  Once of the things that got installed was the standard Nook Android app.  I played around with it and discovered it uses separate file structures, so I ended up with all my books downloaded twice, once to each app.  Because I liked the new app so much better I deleted the old one.  If someone wants to use it to redirect to the SD card (an option I never knew existed) I suppose you could still install the old standard app.  I'll play around with it and see if I can get it to work.

                  • 6. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                    MacMcK1957

                    Interesting.  It seems they've disabled install of the old Nook for Android app on the NGTS.

                     

                    But... I was able to download the standard Android Nook app from a third party site and install it.  Now why do they let that one use the SD card but the built-in app won't?

                    • 7. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                      Sandikal

                      My only complaint is that they turned the menu key into a "recently opened" key.  It makes it impossible to read look threads in my GoodReads app because the app uses the menu key to order threads from newest to oldest.  I'm sure that other apps will be affected by this change.

                       

                      I have a Galaxy S4 smartphone.  On the phone, a long hold of the home key opens a list of recently opened apps.  I don't know why the Galaxy Tab Nook couldn't have done the same.

                       

                      The $200 worth of content isn't worth $200.  It's mostly back issues of magazines.

                       

                      I would have gotten the basic Galaxy Tab 4, but I got the Nook one for free.  I like it as a tablet,  Even though the resolution supposedly isn't as fine as the HD, I find that images seem crisper.  I don't like reading on it though.  It's a bit too bright and really hard on my eyes.  Even with the illumination turned all the way down, it's to bright with the lights out.  The HD was better for reading.  Of course, reading is much better on an e-ink reader than a tablet.

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                      • 8. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                        Froide

                        RE: "I have a Galaxy S4 smartphone.  On the phone, a long hold of the home key opens a list of recently opened apps.  I don't know why the Galaxy Tab Nook couldn't have done the same."

                         

                        Indeed. I also appreciate the carousel on the Nook HD/HD+, which shows recently opened apps and content.

                         

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                        RE: "The $200 worth of content isn't worth $200.  It's mostly back issues of magazines."

                         

                        One's view of the value of the included books is also in the eye of the beholder.

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                        RE: "I don't like reading on it though.  It's a bit too bright and really hard on my eyes.  Even with the illumination turned all the way down, it's to bright with the lights out.  The HD was better for reading.  Of course, reading is much better on an e-ink reader than a tablet."

                         

                        You might consider installing an app such as Twilight.

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                        • 9. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                          Froide

                          RE: "Because I liked the new app so much better I deleted the old one.  If someone wants to use it to redirect to the SD card (an option I never knew existed) I suppose you could still install the old standard app.  I'll play around with it and see if I can get it to work."

                           

                          Many apps can be used to relocate other apps and/or content, as well as to "uninstall" bloatware apps. For example, I use:

                           

                          1.Link2SD* or Lucky AppManager to identify and move moveable apps.

                           

                          2.Either of the above apps or ES File Explorer* to "uninstall" bloatware apps. (Some bloatware apps cannot be uninstalled, and many such apps foisted on my unrooted Nook HD appear to uninstall temporarily, only to reappear, like bad pennies. Fortunately, though, some of those which reappear will remain in the cloud (where they don't hog storage space or processing resources) unless called to action.

                           

                          *Link2SD and ES  File Explorer / ES Task Manager perform many additional device/file management and maintenance tasks necessary to keep one's device in top form.

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                          • 10. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                            Froide

                            I forgot to add:

                             

                            I use ES File Explorer for an additional purpose, as well: to find, move, copy, rename, delete, and otherwise manage files.

                             

                            However, I leave the moving of apps between the device and microSD card to apps made primarily for that purpose. As noted above, I happen to use Link2SD and Lucky AppManager. If forced to choose between them, I'd select Link2SD, because it performs more functions.

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                            • 11. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                              Sandikal

                              Thanks for the app recommendation.  I'll check it out.

                              • 12. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4

                                I, on the other hand, like the "reading this book now" button that is specific to "native Nooks".  And I much prefer the 7" footprint to larger tablets.  Color is a must for me (I love book cover art and photo-heavy magazines).  To each their own....

                                 

                                One thing I've recently discovered (read about it in one of those "blue light from readers is bad threads) - the new Nooks have some convenient "other" color schemes already set up that dim the light (and eliminate the bright, white glare when reading in the dark, falling asleep....).  It's the same place where you can change text size if you want - in a book, tap somewhere in the middle of the screen.  Up at the top, there's the "A" for text changes.  When it comes up, in addition to text size options, there are six "text and background color" options.  Default is bright white background with black text, but there are shades of brown/tan with white lettering, gray, etc.  These are great to dim it down for night reading.  Play with them and see if one of these helps.  These are extremely easy to toggle back & forth for different reading situations.  This is likely on the regular Samsungs, too.

                                 

                                The $200 content consisted of 3 books (only one is a "series leader").  A contemporary "romancy" type (haven't read it yet to see exactly - it's not the perjorative-words-best-not-repeated type).  A non-fiction (Freakanomics), and a teen sci-fi (the series leader).  List of magazines, the one I wanted (Nat Geo), I'm already getting.  Ho-Hum.  Also - beware, at least for the current BN software, the BN-content magazines stay on the internal memory, and this can take up a lot of space.  Video was two series pilots and a movie, as I recall.  (There are also Free Friday videos each week.)  There is a convenient box to check to send BN-video content straight to an SD card; this is strongly recommended.  (They advertise 32G card size, but my 64G card works fine.)   It would be very nice if they gave us that same box for magazines, considering the SGT4N-7's memory storage limitations (ok for just books - but lots of Apps and/or photo-heavy magazines will fill it up).  See these posts: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 7.0 Nook vs. Nook Color and Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 7.0 Nook - Memory Meanderings

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                                • 13. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                                  bobstro

                                  Sandikal wrote:

                                   

                                  My only complaint is that they turned the menu key into a "recently opened" key.  It makes it impossible to read look threads in my GoodReads app because the app uses the menu key to order threads from newest to oldest.  I'm sure that other apps will be affected by this change.

                                  This is an Android 4 thing, if I'm recalling correctly, or perhaps 4.4 KitKat. Try long-pressing the recent button to get the old menu function. This is not unique to the NGTS or SGT4.

                                  I have a Galaxy S4 smartphone.  On the phone, a long hold of the home key opens a list of recently opened apps.  I don't know why the Galaxy Tab Nook couldn't have done the same.

                                  If it makes you feel any better, the Samsung Galaxy S5, NGTS and SGT4 all have the same button layout. This is pretty much the new standard, except other devices may have the position of the Back and Recent buttons reversed.

                                  The $200 worth of content isn't worth $200.  It's mostly back issues of magazines.

                                  I pretty much agree. Perhaps phrase it as "unless you have very specific tastes and don't mind old magazine content, the $200 content may not be worth $200."

                                   

                                  One difference between the NGTS and the SGT4 is eligibility for the Samsung Perks package. For the Tab 4 series, it's pretty sparse, consisting of (at present) 3 free audiobooks on Audible for new subscribers, 1 year of 50 GB on Dropbox (works for existing subscribers), 3 months of Sirius XM for new subscribers, Samsung WatchOn TV guide and remote (though this may be available for the NGTS from Samsung directly), and 6 months of Stitcher comedy. This bundle, while not outstanding, might be worth more than the "$200" bundle B&N provides.

                                  I would have gotten the basic Galaxy Tab 4, but I got the Nook one for free. 

                                  Free is good. For the rest of us, the pricing is identical at B&N for the NGTS and Best Buy for the SGT4 7.0, so unless you're a B&N member, price isn't much of a consideration.

                                   

                                  In the brief period I owned a NGTS, I quite liked it. Inability to readily store B&N ebook and magazine content on secondary card memory is what caused me to return it. I don't like reading on active screens in total darkness, so the brightness issue didn't affect me, though as others mentioned, there are apps that will further mute the screen if you really want to do this.

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                                  • 14. Re: Summarize any downsides of the SGT4N vs. the regular SGT4
                                    bobstro

                                    AnitaInTN wrote:

                                     

                                    [...] One thing I've recently discovered (read about it in one of those "blue light from readers is bad threads) - the new Nooks have some convenient "other" color schemes already set up that dim the light (and eliminate the bright, white glare when reading in the dark, falling asleep....). 

                                    Anita, I've forgotten whether the NGTS has Samsung's "Reading Mode" option in system settings. If you enable that on Samsung devices, you can select apps you use for reading, and they'll be displayed in muted colors. This is great for those apps that don't offer screen settings. Is it present on NGTS?

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