16 Replies Latest reply on Feb 26, 2015 8:00 PM by bobstro

    Calibre's Developer says Nook platform is now dead.

    seacitylady
      I went on the Calibre Board on Mobilereads the other night to see if I could find assistance with a problem. I advised that I own both a NC & a Nook HD+ and consistently get a "gray" cover when I use Calibre's "Polish" function instead of "Convert" to add or change a cover prior to sideloading. This is a minor problem but I found the response from Calibre's developer, Kovid Goyal, quite off-putting. I was seeking assistance not to have my device "dissed." I thought other Nook owners who use Calibre might be interested in his POV. According to him the Nook platform is so dead he does not feel it worthwhile to even have a test device.
       
      "Nooks have various extra bugs when it comes to covers. It's possible that Polish is not working around one of those extra bugs. However, since the Nook platform is now dead and I no longer posses a working Nook to test with, this is not likely to be fixed. Just use convert." - Kovid Goyal
       
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          seacitylady wrote:
          I went on the Calibre Board on Mobilereads the other night to see if I could find assistance with a problem. I advised that I own both a NC & a Nook HD+ and consistently get a "gray" cover when I use Calibre's "Polish" function instead of "Convert" to add or change a cover prior to sideloading. This is a minor problem but I found the response from Calibre's developer, Kovid Goyal, quite off-putting. I was seeking assistance not to have my device "dissed." I thought other Nook owners who use Calibre might be interested in his POV. According to him the Nook platform is so dead he does not feel it worthwhile to even have a test device.
           
          "Nooks have various extra bugs when it comes to covers. It's possible that Polish is not working around one of those extra bugs. However, since the Nook platform is now dead and I no longer posses a working Nook to test with, this is not likely to be fixed. Just use convert." - Kovid Goyal

          So are there any other e-libraries like calibre compatible with my Nook HD?

          • Self-fulfilling prophesy?
            DeanGibson

            seacitylady wrote:
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            ".... However, since the Nook platform is now dead and I no longer posses a working Nook to test with, this is not likely to be fixed. Just use convert." - Kovid Goyal
             
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            I don't use Calibre, but the cost of any used, working Nook is so low, I'm a bit surprised at the statement.  Much more likely (and I don't know if this is true), is that tracking down bugs on it is a pain in the @$$ (time-wise) for very little return.

              • Re: Self-fulfilling prophesy?
                seacitylady

                I think everyone should box up their old Nooks and send them to him. It would be really funny if hundreds arrived on his doorstep..

                 

                Without a doubt fixing bugs is a PIA with a low return but he could have answered the question without an arrogant "let them eat cake" response. There have been over 10 million Nooks sold & a lot of the early ones are still in use. Something that is sold in stores every day is not "dead" technology. It does have market value & will probably be licensed to another vendor in the future.

                 

                Calibre is used world wide & many users are using real legacy hardware to read. Not everyone can afford to run out & buy the latest tech toy or even has access to it. I guess he won't be able to help with Sony either in the future. ("Well, we can throw that away!") He needs to put a caveat on the "bug report" section of his website that says - "unless you have an Ipad4 I can't help you as I don't have the test equipment."

              • Re: Calibre's Developer says Nook platform is now dead.
                DinahMA44

                Is there an alternative for Nook books?

                • Re: Calibre's Developer says Nook platform is now dead.
                  gb18

                  Shame Calibre is so expensive........

                    • Re: Calibre's Developer says Nook platform is now dead.
                      keriflur

                      gb18 wrote:

                       

                      Shame Calibre is so expensive........

                      I just *love* when people claim that giving something away is a free pass to be the rear end of a horse.

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                        • Re: Calibre's Developer says Nook platform is now dead.
                          bobstro

                          Ah, this old gem. Funny thing was, within 24 hours, the Calibre community over on Mobileread had answered Seacitylady's question with a couple of workable solutions. B&N's tech support doesn't always come through that well. Not bad for free tech support, eh? The plugin I use instead of Polish is the Modify Ebook plugin that lets you selectively choose what to fix at a much more granular level. As I recall, Seacitylady had it all working the next day... though she never bothered to withdraw her criticism of Kovid and the MR group. I was particularly annoyed by the accusation made (can't recall by who, and the thread seems to have been sanitized during the move to Jive) that Kovid and his wife had some ulterior commercial motivation behind the collection of 3,000+ DRM-free ebooks that they maintain.

                           

                          B&N hasn't supported the platform for a long time, and had already stopped when this thread started a bit over a year ago. The developer doesn't have a device to test to fix it. So yeah, the NOOK is dead. Those are facts. No need to internalize them. You're not a bad person for owning and loving a dead platform. I still have a Palm T3 in my drawer, and a Sharp Zaurus on my shelf. I'm not expecting anybody to go to great lengths to support them.

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                              seacitylady

                              Can't believe you are bringing this old chestnut up again. I would think

                              you would desist given your past comments to me with regard to this matter

                              were removed by the moderator for inappropriateness. The only issue I ever

                              had was with the tenor of Mr Goyal's response. While he is entitled to his

                              opinion, his delivery was poor. Clearly, others agree so let's not beat a

                              dead horse.

                               

                              There was no criticism of the MR group &, thus, nothing to apologize

                              for. They have always been very helpful & I did express appreciation on MR

                              for their assistance.  The problem was not solved in 24 hours. Despite the

                              best efforts of a very helpful MR member over several days the problem was

                              never really resolved. It continues to this day. Modify and Polish are both

                              less intrusive, but unfortunately neither works on this

                              particular problem. The only thing that works,.but not consistently, is

                              convert. At this point it's an annoying but minor issue. I do believe it is

                              a Nook specific issue as it can't be replicated on either my Ipad or my

                              Samsung Note 10.1 2014 Edition tablet. Despite having other options I find

                              the best reading experience to be on my Nook HD+ & that is why I have kept

                              it. I had hoped the most recent upgrade to the device might solve my

                              problem but all that did was slow it down to a crawl.

                               

                              IMHO the last really great product from BN was the Nook Color. My

                              former device has now been handed down a second time to a family member &

                              keeps working like a champ. I did check out the latest Samsung hybrid

                              device but felt it was a bit of a fail as both a tablet & a reader. I wish

                              they would bring out an 8" color reader type device similar to the NC with

                              16gb of memory & decent sound so you could use an SD card for music &

                              audiobooks. No other bells & whistles except the ability to shop & maybe

                              email. It would also be preferable if they left the available memory open

                              so it could be used at the customer's discretion instead of walling it off

                              for Nook only content. Sadly, due to recent events I have been purchasing

                              most of my ebooks elsewhere although I do like visiting the stores.

                                • Re: Calibre's Developer says Nook platform is now dead.
                                  bobstro

                                  Twasn't me who brought it up again, and most of your comments were deleted as well. Fortunately, the "let's flood him [Kovid]" post remains to remind us of how you handled it.  Doesn't sound like something Kovid or anybody else could fix in any case.

                                   

                                  Agreed about the NC. The NT was the start of the restrictiveness, and in hindsight, was probably a good indicator of where things were heading. B&N clearly had some smart design folks early on. You could strip out of a lot of non-essential stuff from any of the alternate firmware, but you won't get the nice NOOK library integration with the app. I'd hoped with the release of the NGTS that B&N would put out a full-featured Android app with the same suite of functionality, but that doesn't seem likely. As a wise man once said, the platform is dead. Not resting. Dead.

                                    • Re: Calibre's Developer says Nook platform is now dead.
                                      keriflur

                                      Well, last I checked, Kovid was the rear end of a horse to a lot more folks than SeaCityLady, and getting help from other folks who share the same interests as you is NOT the same as getting support (anyone who spends time on these forums should know the difference as WE are not a support team, and yet we historically have provided a lot of help).

                                       

                                      Whether or not someone is a horse's rear has much more to do with delivery than whether the thing being said is true or false.

                                        • Re: Calibre's Developer says Nook platform is now dead.
                                          bobstro

                                          To paraphrase someone who can say it more eloquently than I...

                                           

                                          Look, this may not be palatable, and I keep trying to come up with a better way to put it, but the simplicity of things, at least from my perspective is this:

                                           

                                          Kovid Goyal is not your b****.

                                           

                                          This is a useful thing to know, perhaps a useful thing to point out when you find yourself thinking that possibly Kovid is, indeed, your b****, and should be out there fixing what you want fixed right now.

                                           

                                          People are not machines. Coders and artists aren't machines.

                                           

                                          You're complaining about Kovid doing other things than fixing the programs you want to use as if your installing the program in the series was a contract with him: that you would pay over your zero dollars, and Kovid for his part would spend every waking hour until the code was done and making sure you felt good about it.

                                           

                                          No such contract existed.

                                           

                                          (With apologies to Neil Gaiman)

                                           

                                          So yeah, he's busy. He stated his reasons. The reader can decide whether or not to be insulted by the "tone" of written text, but I saw nothing but a bland statement of fact. The NOOK IS clearly dead. Kovid is under no obligation to support any device, for any reason. And he provided a solution.

                                           

                                          Personally, I'm glad Calibre keeps getting better and better and I hope that's what he focuses on rather than people choosing to get hurt feelings. (Perhaps best to stay away from text messages and Twitter while you're at it.)

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                                              keriflur

                                              AGAIN, giving something away for free does not give anyone a right to treat others as lesser. You may think it gives him that right. It does not. Nor do you get that right when you give something away. If you want to think it does, knock yourself out. But that won't make it true, it will just make you a horse's rear, and everyone with common decency will know it.

                                               

                                              Pretty much everyone who has seen Kovid interact knows he does it with arrogance. Because, AGAIN, it doesn't matter whether he's telling the truth or not, it's how he delivers the words that tells his character.

                                               

                                              There's a reason I don't donate to Kovid, or recommend his product. And I'm not alone.

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                                                keriflur

                                                And by the way, that's an impressive feat of plagarism that totally missed the mark of what Neil was saying when he wrote it. You should be proud.

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                                                    bobstro

                                                    Really? I won't deign to speak for Mr. Gaiman, but I certainly think his words fit this situation remarkably well. What's the difference? Except that George R.R. Martin gets paid vast sums and outright said "F*** you" to the public , I mean.

                                                     

                                                    If I give attribution as well as say up front that I'm paraphrasing, do you consider that plagiarism? Interesting.