9 Replies Latest reply on Apr 2, 2015 1:48 PM by keriflur

    Here we go again

    Mercury_Glitch

      HarperCollins Amazon contract expiring - Business Insider

       

      Looks like HC may attempt to ditch Amazon.

       

      They've got a means to sell their own ebooks directly, as well as their print books.  And they're not signing contracts offered by Amazon.

        • Re: Here we go again
          bobstro

          So I guess we're all supposed to get up in arms and be concerned about authors and writing and stuff... until Hachette gets the terms they want, at which point everything is OK?

           

          Learned my lesson last time around. This is between two mega-corps. We don't matter. I don't care.

            • Re: Here we go again
              keriflur

              Bob George wrote:

               

              So I guess we're all supposed to get up in arms and be concerned about authors and writing and stuff... until Hachette gets the terms they want, at which point everything is OK?

               

              Learned my lesson last time around. This is between two mega-corps. We don't matter. I don't care.

              I don't think I've ever been in the "everything is okay" camp, and I'm wondering why you'd be either. Good for Harper Collins. I hope they rock on with their rebellious selves, and the others follow suit.

               

              IMO lots of little vendors > one big vendor.

                • Re: Here we go again
                  bobstro

                  Heh. No, not me. It seems to me that Hachette wanted authors and the buying public up in arms until they came to terms with Amazon, at which everything went (seemingly) quiet. OK so far as Hachette is concerned, in other words. Hachette got better terms in the end, but Amazon remains king. During the dispute, I had the sense that Hachette and others were looking for viable alternatives to Amazon. Now it just seems they were trying to use public sentiment for better terms with Amazon. A bit of the lamb wanting more space as it nuzzles up against the lion, as it were.

                   

                  Had the publishers all banded together (as you say, lots of little vendors > one big vendor) and built something as a unified alternative for us mere consumers to use instead of Amazon, or done any innovation, I'd be a lot more impressed. As it is, I wish them the best in their negotiations but that's about as excited as I'm going to get.

                    • Re: Here we go again
                      Mercury_Glitch

                      Weren't the big six prohibited from doing anything that seemed to directly threaten Amazon?  Outside of contract negotitations and such.  Or am I misremembering that part of the whole DOJ v Apple+big six

                        • Re: Here we go again
                          keriflur

                          No part of the decision required them to keep doing business with them. They just can't collude to not do business with them.

                           

                          As far as the Hachette thing went, the issue was never that they wanted to leave Amazon, it was ALWAYS over terms. And while they were negotiating, Amazon tried to force Hachette into a crappy contract by delaying shipping and removing books from search results. The authors were upset - this hurts their sales in a big way - and they were the ones making the noise. So yeah, when Amazon stopped messing with the authors (because Hachette signed the contract) the authors stopped raging against them. It was always the tactics that Amazon was using that the authors were holding up as wrong.

                           

                          The problem, of course, is that any one company has that much power. But when that power is over you, it's hard to leave. Amazon has that power over authors, and over publishers. It would be a big move for HC to leave, and it WILL be hurt them in the short term, maybe even in the medium term, but it's a solid long term decision IF they aren't the only ones to leave.

                            • Re: Here we go again
                              Mercury_Glitch

                              Mmm, I was thinking Amazon could make a case if the big six teamed up to create a new company.  Said company would be independent of the publishers, and would distribute their ebooks and print books, much as Amazon does now.

                               

                              I think HC may be in a better place than Hachette to pull this off.  They've already got the infrastructure to go it on their own, though I agree they would still suffer at least they could shift immediately to promoting their own site.

                                • Re: Here we go again
                                  keriflur

                                  Yes, if the big 5 or some subsection decided to form a company together, and in doing so, all decided to stop doing business with Amazon, Amazon would likely call that collusion, and they'd also probably have some anti-trust concerns also. But if it happens organically, with one leaving (like HC), and then another following suit when pressed with the same crappy terms, then I don't think anyone can call it collusion, even if down the road the non-Amazoners end up with their own ebookstore where they all sell their books together.

                                   

                                  I do hope HC goes down that road. If I remember correctly, Hachette is the smallest of the big 5. They would have had trouble on their own. HC is a different animal, and if they take the lead, and Random Penguin follows, that will be some serious market disruption.

                      • Re: Here we go again
                        kamas716

                        I'm just waiting for the lawsuits.

                         

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